How can Muslims be non-radical?

[DerDrache]

I would assume that you pro-Islam assholes are also pro-women's rights, pro-gay rights, and just pro-civil rights in general. Given that these things are not compatible with Islam (to varying degrees, of course), why defend it?

Stop being tolerant of everything just for the sake of being tolerant. I want a country to say "Hey, this religion is fucking hate speech. Fuck Islam; it's not allowed in our country." I guess I can dream...

[Sex Panther]

Originally Posted by DerDrache

I would assume that you pro-Islam assholes are also pro-women's rights, pro-gay rights, and just pro-civil rights in general. Given that these things are not compatible with Islam (to varying degrees, of course), why defend it?

Stop being tolerant of everything just for the sake of being tolerant. I want a country to say "Hey, this religion is fucking hate speech. Fuck Islam; it's not allowed in our country." I guess I can dream...

Meh, i'm not a liberal, I was just brought up in an assimilated (culturally) but muslim family. Most of my friends were either christians or atheists (i'm an atheist myself).

I'm not pro-islam, you just haven't convinced me that islam is any worse than the other religions.

Question, you said that the new testament "replaced" the old. Does jesus specifically say, "hay guiz, disregard old testament plz", or is it just implied that we should?

[PastorSehmish]

Question, you said that the new testament "replaced" the old. Does jesus specifically say, "hay guiz, disregard old testament plz", or is it just implied that we should?

As previously mentionted the OT laws have been fulfilled. Aside from this, these old testament laws and covenants were set specifically for the Jewish people at that specific time.

Glad I could enlighten you all.

God Bless,
Dr Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish

[EpicurusGeorge]

Originally Posted by Hexadecimal

Nowhere does the OT state that the punishments are supposed to be carried out at the whim of man. Punishment of death is only to be exercised by direct edict of God: We are not to carry out ANY punishment on others unless explicitly directed to do so by God, for it is his righteousness that hates sin, not ours.

If that's the case what do you make of this:
Exodus 21:20-21 (King James Version)

20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by EpicurusGeorge

If that's the case what do you make of this:
Exodus 21:20-21 (King James Version)

20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

This verse offers no prescription for who is to punish the man, by what means he is to be found guilty or innocent, nor by what means he will be punished. All it states is that he WILL be punished.

Further, look at verses 12-14:

12 He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death.
13 However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee.
14 But if a man acts with premeditation against his neighbor, to kill him by treachery, you shall take him from My altar, that he may die.

The punishment is exile; the same punishment exerted upon Cain for the slaughter of Abel. This punishment makes a man a wanderer subject to the beasts, elements, and vagabonds so that he may die by God's exertion rather than the vengeful spirit of his former people.

Edit: Wanted to add; if you are using an internet source, they have a misstatement. The last word of verse 21 means 'property', referring to the slave being the property of the assailant.

[Rust]

^ Straws must be a bitch on the hands.

The man is given free reign to "smite" his servants as long as they survive. He can smite them as a punishment. Same thing.

[Hexadecimal]

Originally Posted by Rust

^ Straws must be a bitch on the hands.

The man is given free reign to "smite" his servants as long as they survive. He can smite them as a punishment. Same thing.

Funny that you claim a straw man where there is none. His request was answered and an example of an even greater violation of the Law than beating a servant was given with an explanation of its explicitly commanded punishment. You are covered with your name.

Nor does it say the man has the right to beat his slaves as a punishment, but as a matter of ownership. This law refers to the act of slave-driving, that is, beating a slave not as punishment, but as a driver beats oxen to plow a field. If the owner drives his slaves so cruelly as that they die, he is then subjected to punishment; of which there exists no description. One does not even know what the punishment is, let alone who carries it out.

[PastorSehmish]

Don't worry, you're completely wrong

I doubt it. I'm going to pray for you, that the Lord will open your eyes to reality.

And also that he'll forgive you for that profane username of yours.

Don't worry, I'm not judging you.

God Bless,
Dr Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish

[Sex Panther]

Originally Posted by PastorSehmish

I doubt it. I'm going to pray for you, that the Lord will open your eyes to reality.

And also that he'll forgive you for that profane username of yours.

Don't worry, I'm not judging you.

God Bless,
Dr Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish

Forgetting what christianity was like back in the day?
And the username is supposed to be ironic. I'm actually celibate .

[PastorSehmish]

I'm actually celibate

Praise the Lord! That's what Jesus did!

God Bless,
Doctor Pastor Emeritus Wayne Sehmish