Religion and Science

[Rust]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

Here, I will prove it to you, try yourself, really, take a needle and put it in a glass surface and imagine it moving, ask it to move, then will it to move, and in your mind, make it move forward, and after not forcing, but concentrating, it will move.

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So I will prove I'm "not full of shit" by you doing it. And ability? Its not an "ability," it just like breathing, is breathing really an ability? Well, maybe, but you get the point. Just try it yourself.

Well I tried it and nothing happened. I concentrated on the needle moving, I visualized it moving in my mind, and it did not move. I told it to move, and it did not move. You are full of shit, it appears. Of course, the easy cop-out is to claim that I'm doing it wrong, which is, I'm guessing, why you wanted me to try it in the first place and provide absolutely nothing else to substantiate the things you've alleged.


Also, you made plenty of other claims besides the needle (e.g. "everything is energy, protons, electrons, neutrons.").

[GoRdo]

Originally Posted by Rust

Well I tried it and nothing happened. I concentrated on the needle moving, I visualized it moving in my mind, and it did not move. I told it to move, and it did not move. You are full of shit, it appears. Of course, the easy cop-out is to claim that I'm doing it wrong, which is, I'm guessing, why you wanted me to try it in the first place and provide absolutely nothing else to substantiate the things you've alleged.


Also, you made plenty of other claims besides the needle (e.g. "everything is energy, protons, electrons, neutrons.").

umm everything is energy essentially? matter is energy, space is energy, energy is energy? if theres something other than that im sure its energy aswel?!? I know that guy is a fake but, he wasnt lieing about that.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by Rust

Well I tried it and nothing happened. I concentrated on the needle moving, I visualized it moving in my mind, and it did not move. I told it to move, and it did not move. You are full of shit, it appears. Of course, the easy cop-out is to claim that I'm doing it wrong, which is, I'm guessing, why you wanted me to try it in the first place and provide absolutely nothing else to substantiate the things you've alleged.


Also, you made plenty of other claims besides the needle (e.g. "everything is energy, protons, electrons, neutrons.").

Besides being stupid in your 2nd part of the post, it takes some practice, don't expect to do it the first time. Its pointless to prove this any other way, one reason it is not working though is doubt, you doubt it will move I'm sure, thought is energy and will keep it there.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by GoRdo

umm everything is energy essentially? matter is energy, space is energy, energy is energy? if theres something other than that im sure its energy aswel?!? I know that guy is a fake but, he wasnt lieing about that.

What's fake?

[Rust]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

Besides being stupid in your 2nd part of the post,

What's stupid about wanting you to substantiate that utter nonsense?

Not everything is "energy" in Science. Science does not define "energy" as "everything". It defines it as the capacity to do work.

Not to mention that the phrase you used was "everything is energy, protons, electrons, neutrons" which either means you think everything is all those things at the same time - which is wrong - or that it's one of those things at least - which means you've made a distinction between energy and those particles.

Before you call what I say stupid, read a fucking book.

it takes some practice, don't expect to do it the first time. Its pointless to prove this any other way, one reason it is not working though is doubt, you doubt it will move I'm sure, thought is energy and will keep it there.

Another ridiculous cop-out. You haven't shown that this would work without doubt, much less that doubt would affect it in this way.

We can say the exact same ridiculous and baseless assertions of anything (e.g. "Say 'abracadabra frogitus maximus' and a frog will appear... Oh, but if it doesn't work it means you're doubting it").

Either substantiate your claims or admit that you cannot.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by GoRdo

umm everything is energy essentially? matter is energy, space is energy, energy is energy? if theres something other than that im sure its energy aswel?!? I know that guy is a fake but, he wasnt lieing about that.

No, it isn't. Science doesn't define energy as "everything".

So either you're wrong, or you're using an unscientific definition to deal with scientific concepts.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by Rust

What's stupid about wanting you to substantiate that utter nonsense?

Not everything is "energy" in Science. Science does not define "energy" as "everything". It defines it as the capacity to do work.

Not to mention that the phrase you used was "everything is energy, protons, electrons, neutrons" which either means you think everything is all those things at the same time - which is wrong - or that it's one of those things at least - which means you've made a distinction between energy and those particles.

Before you call what I say stupid, read a fucking book.



Another ridiculous cop-out. You haven't shown that this would work without doubt, much less that doubt would affect it in this way.

We can say the exact same ridiculous and baseless assertions of anything (e.g. "Say 'abracadabra frogitus maximus' and a frog will appear... Oh, but if it doesn't work it means you're doubting it").

Either substantiate your claims or admit that you cannot.

Everything is energy, everything comes down to an atom doesn't it? What is an atom? It is energy isn't it? Thanks.
And once again, thought is energy, how did "god" or w/e you believe create? thought, he thought, and as a result of thinking, it became, thought is energy. And I am substantiating my claims, I'm trying to get you to do it yourself then that will be all the proof you ever need rather than me doing it on video which I have no access to first of all, then secondly you'd try to find some problem with what I was doing. Hence is why I'm telling you to do it yourself, not as a cop-out, your the best source of information, do it yourself, actually try to, practice at it. You'll do it soon enough, I assure you with my life.

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

You'll do it soon enough, I assure you with my life.

I am having some trouble with getting this to work also. I appreciate such a level of confidence in my supernatural ability potential however. Since you assert it can happen "soon enough" and do so with your life as collateral, I would like to put a time frame on this.

If Rust and myself are unable to do it, after say 2 weeks of trying, will you kill yourself? It is just energy transference right? No big deal, right? Just put in your will that you would like pics of your dead body posted on totse.

If I am able to do it, it will only be the start of it, of course. I intend to hone this energy (force?) power and throw the moon into the Earth.

I should be able to do it right? I mean the moon, Earth and myself are all the same thing right?

---------A few questions---------

Why hasn't a wizard such as yourself hurled the moon into the Earth by now?

What other wizardly powers do you have?

What kinds of wizardly powers do others have, and what kinds (if any) are impossible to have?

[Azure]

This was addressed centuries ago.

Society progresses through three distinct stages of being. As one stage progresses into the other, the previous stage loses a great deal of importance, and eventually withers away altogether.

The first stage is the Theological stage. This stage was required for early man(read as primitive) to gain an understanding of the basic questions of humanity, ie, Why are we here? How did we come into being? And so on and so forth. This could be described as the "Child" era, if given a human lifeline. The child attributes human characteristics to an unknowable and unseen power, much as a child would attribute actions and speech to a favorite toy.

Following that comes the adolescent stage of Metaphysics. In this stage, the world is described in abstract terms and impersonal explanation. Common phrases of this stage include abstract notions of unseen "forces" and "essences". The further this stage progresses towards the final period, the more the preceding stage loses influence, as humanity is PROGRESSING.

The Positivity stage refers to scientific explanation based on observation, experiment, and comparison. Positive explanations rely upon a distinct method, the scientific method, for its justification. This is also referred to as the Adult stage, as it relies on rational, intelligent thought based on scientific fact that only a fully adapted being could comprehend.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

Everything is energy, everything comes down to an atom doesn't it?

Wrong. The atom is comprised of sub-atomic particles. Those sub-atomic particles and in turn comprised of other different particles.

"Everything" does not come down to an atom.

What is an atom? It is energy isn't it? Thanks.

According to who? The mass of atoms can definitely be converted into energy through a couple of different processes, sure. The keyword there being converted.

As in, "I'll convert these pieces of wood into a house". Pieces of wood aren't houses.

I am substantiating my claims, I'm trying to get you to do it yourself then that will be all the proof you ever need rather than me doing it on video which I have no access to first of all, then secondly you'd try to find some problem with what I was doing. Hence is why I'm telling you to do it yourself, not as a cop-out, your the best source of information, do it yourself, actually try to, practice at it. You'll do it soon enough, I assure you with my life.

1. You made more claims than just the needle remark, hence if you were actually trying to substantiate your claims as you say, you would be supporting those as well. Instead, you focus on the needle, and then make a small comment about atoms. You made more claims than that. Get to it.

2. I have tried, more than once, and it has done nothing. When do I stop? Once it works? And if you are full of shit - as everything as of now suggests? Then what? I try till I'm dead?

Tell me a reasonable number of times I have to try until your "substantiation" is a failure.