Religion and Science

[trumbly]

orange peel mold? for an infection? have you really taken that for an infection?
Anyway, during christmas I noticed the history channel was scientifically proving a lot of the christian religious happenings, like the burning bush, the plagues of Egypt, other stuff I can't remember right now. They did a pretty good job.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by trumbly

orange peel mold? for an infection? have you really taken that for an infection?
Anyway, during christmas I noticed the history channel was scientifically proving a lot of the christian religious happenings, like the burning bush, the plagues of Egypt, other stuff I can't remember right now. They did a pretty good job.

I have no problem with "miracles" Quantum physics is key to that. I can move a light pen and a needle and paper with willing myself to do so, call that "magick" "telekinesis" w/e you want. Not a big deal.

[l33t-haX0r]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

I have no problem with "miracles" Quantum physics is key to that. I can move a light pen and a needle and paper with willing myself to do so, call that "magick" "telekinesis" w/e you want. Not a big deal.

How is quantum physics key to miracles? Can you explain yourself?

Also, it is a big deal.

If you can move a needle and paper using thought alone then please take yourself to the closest scientific institution and evidence your claims. It will be the biggest discovery and revolution in science.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by l33t-haX0r

How is quantum physics key to miracles? Can you explain yourself?

Also, it is a big deal.

If you can move a needle and paper using thought alone then please take yourself to the closest scientific institution and evidence your claims. It will be the biggest discovery and revolution in science.

Hm, let me rephrase, big deal to ignorant people who ignore universal truths and energy.
And quantum physics is working with energy, and how energy connects everything, there is nothing but energy, thought is energy, "God" created through "thought" how else would we be here? All is in the mind. If I want a needle to move, I make it move by thought.

Simple enough to understand?

[l33t-haX0r]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

Hm, let me rephrase, big deal to ignorant people who ignore universal truths and energy.
And quantum physics is working with energy, and how energy connects everything, there is nothing but energy, thought is energy, "God" created through "thought" how else would we be here? All is in the mind. If I want a needle to move, I make it move by thought.

Simple enough to understand?

Deepak Chopra and others including yourself should stop hijacking the term quantum physics as a metaphor for fabricated spiritual mechanisms. It doesn't add any credibility to your abstract platitudes. Let's be honest here, your ideas do not involve quantum physics.

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by l33t-haX0r

Deepak Chopra and others including yourself should stop hijacking the term quantum physics as a metaphor for fabricated spiritual mechanisms. It doesn't add any credibility to your abstract platitudes. Let's be honest here, your ideas do not involve quantum physics.

Don't exactly know who that guy is, besides ArmsMerchant saying his name before, and answer this, does, or does not quantum physics deal with energy? Simple question, a yes or a no would suffice. And "abstract platitudes" lol, and since when did I need any credibility from the ignorant? I was never looking for credibility. People like you make me lol.

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[l33t-haX0r]

Originally Posted by countdown2chaos

Don't exactly know who that guy is, besides ArmsMerchant saying his name before, and answer this, does, or does not quantum physics deal with energy? Simple question, a yes or a no would suffice. And "abstract platitudes" lol, and since when did I need any credibility from the ignorant? I was never looking for credibility. People like you make me lol.

Physics deals with energy, the first law of thermodynamics deals with energy, bioenergetics deals with energy. Why quantum phyics? Quantum is just a buzzword used by new age groups, cults and healers. Can you justify why you are using the term quantum physics or explain how quantum physics ties in with your claims of telekenisis?

Remarks like "energy is everything", "we are all connected through energy", "the spiritual quality of the rock", "god is consistent", "thought is energy", "god created through thought" are meaningless comments.

You can invent these platitudes all you like as long as you accept that they are just abstract fabricated beliefs that have no relevance to the real word until supported by some sort of theoretical framework that can be tested and found to agree with the evidence.

The problem that I have is that you claim to have some sort of framework involving quantum physics, then you also claim to have experiemental evidence, the fact that you can use thought to move a needle. Why don't you prove this to the scientific community? Are you going to let the biggest discovery in the in human history pass you by? Or have you just bullshitted your way too far, because in the real world there is not spiritual mysticism to hide behind, either you can do it, or you are a liar. Which one?

[countdown2chaos]

Originally Posted by l33t-haX0r

Physics deals with energy, the first law of thermodynamics deals with energy, bioenergetics deals with energy. Why quantum phyics? Quantum is just a buzzword used by new age groups, cults and healers. Can you justify why you are using the term quantum physics or explain how quantum physics ties in with your claims of telekenisis?

Remarks like "energy is everything", "we are all connected through energy", "the spiritual quality of the rock", "god is consistent", "thought is energy", "god created through thought" are meaningless comments.

You can invent these platitudes all you like as long as you accept that they are just abstract fabricated beliefs that have no relevance to the real word until supported by some sort of theoretical framework that can be tested and found to agree with the evidence.

The problem that I have is that you claim to have some sort of framework involving quantum physics, then you also claim to have experiemental evidence, the fact that you can use thought to move a needle. Why don't you prove this to the scientific community? Are you going to let the biggest discovery in the in human history pass you by? Or have you just bullshitted your way too far, because in the real world there is not spiritual mysticism to hide behind, either you can do it, or you are a liar. Which one?

Your pretty funny actually, I could really care less what the scientific community thinks really. And why quantum physics, hmmm:

it is more fundamental than classical mechanics and classical field theory. Notable amongst these principles are both a dual wave-like and particle-like behavior of matter and radiation, and prediction of probabilities in situations where classical physics predicts certainties. Classical physics can be derived as a good approximation to quantum physics, typically in circumstances with large numbers of particles. Thus quantum phenomena are particularly relevant in systems whose dimensions are close to the atomic scale, such as molecules, atoms, electrons, protons and other subatomic particles. Exceptions exist for certain systems which exhibit quantum mechanical effects on macroscopic scale; superfluidity is one well-known example. Quantum theory provides accurate descriptions for many previously unexplained phenomena such as black body radiation and stable electron orbits.

Source: Wikipedia of course for a simple explanation.
And once again, prove to who, what?
And I'm so sorry new agers or whatever use the term too, never read any new age material. So, can't say whether I agree or not with them.
And I never said these two quotes: "the spiritual quality of the rock", "god is consistent," thanks for putting words into my mouth.

an you justify why you are using the term quantum physics or explain how quantum physics ties in with your claims of telekenisis?
Okay, You already agreed Quantum physics deals with energy and sub-atomic partials, even from a physics example, everything is energy, protons, electrons, neutrons. They're all connected and have the same base of constantly flowing, moving energy. Everything in the Universe is composed of Energy of one form or another, including your thoughts. According to the discoveries in Quantum Physics, all forms of matter and energy are attracted to that which is of a like vibration.

Everything vibrates, try reading the 7 Hermetic principles in the Kybalion.
It just seems your the one with the wrong definition of Quantum Physics

Edit: And just an FYI, my friends use to give me the same bullshit until I proved them wrong the way you want me to through action, but why would I want to bring that to the scientific community? I want others to figure things out themselves, which science will do so eventually anyways.

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