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Originally Posted by BrokeProphet
Perhaps, some jungle could have been clear-cut for you guys in South America, and all of that bloodshed need not have happened and continue to this day.
You could all be farming fruit, sugar, coffee and chocolate and not have a man with bomb blow your granny to bits in a crowded bus.
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for a while there were plans of having the jews live in what is now either aregentina or kenya. the kenyan deal was very close to happening. but the british decided to play the jews an the arabs off of each other in order to hurt the ottoman empire.(kenya an palestine were both british held territories) most of the european jews moving into palestian did not realize they were pawns. as for the arabs living there, they were shafted not only by the new jewish settlers but also by their own leaders, other arab states, the ottomans, an the west. again my heart an prays, as do many other jews hearts an prays go out to those people.
broke prophet i know you are a troll an there is nothing i am going to say that will satisfy you
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Originally Posted by BrokeProphet
What I find deplorable is that the Jewish people had to have the holy land, at any cost. A cost that is being paid to this day, by Israeli and American alike.
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up untill the 1940's many jews did not want to go to palestine. they wanted some other more fertile land. judasim, as a religion had taken a new turn, an was no longer as focused on returning to a physical jersualem, to many zion had become a state of mind, not a actual place. it was only when the brits an french promised the land that jews began to flock to it once again. once the jews arrived, an found out that the brits had lied to them, they fought back. you would have as well. again this is not an excuse, it is how history played out.
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Originally Posted by BrokeProphet
Those actions are just Old testament style responses to fulfill a self fulfilling prophecy. How many times have Jews killed whomever, be it man, woman, or child, in the name of that patch of Earth?
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before 1945, not for over 2000 years. but i agree many actions carried out by the jewish state are deplorable. i think the actions are based on realist political theory and a desire to keep the land bought/fought/promised them. not so much on old testemant style responses to fulfill a self fulfilling prophecy.
again none of my answers are going to be the ones you want to hear, you make the common mistake of identifying the jewish state an the jewish people as one an the same. when in truth we could not be more separate. so maybe you should just stop reading this thread, m'kay.
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Originally Posted by killallthewhiteman
On the kosher food.
Do Jews believe that these laws are derived from a spiritual transcendental context? (the word/will of God)
It seems to me these laws/rules are derived from material nature rather than the spiritual nature; of course a few millenniums ago at a time very different to this age it would have been practical. But in kali- yuga when there is a vast amount of technology and increasing technology we understand it is understood that the costs to human health for animals who "dont chew the cud" or have "cloven hooves" can be reduces and removed through an understanding of hygiene.
Or are the laws not derived from negative health costs?
please clear this up
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kosher is a very complex aspect of judaism. i did not do it justice in a earlier post, because it is would require me to write out a few pages to fully explain it, and i dont have the time to do that. an i doubted any of you want to read it. but here i go on a bit more detailed look at whay kosher means.
Kashrut is the body of Jewish law dealing with what foods we can and cannot eat and how those foods must be prepared and eaten. "Kashrut" comes from the Hebrew root Kaf-Shin-Reish, meaning fit, proper or correct. It is the same root as the more commonly known word "kosher," which describes food that meets these standards. The word "kosher" can also be used, and often is used, to describe ritual objects that are made in accordance with Jewish law and are fit for ritual use.
Contrary to popular misconception, rabbis or other religious officials do not "bless" food to make it kosher. There are blessings that observant Jews recite over food before eating it, but these blessings have nothing to do with making the food kosher. Food can be kosher without a rabbi or priest ever becoming involved with it: the vegetables from your garden are undoubtedly kosher (as long as they don't have any bugs, which are not kosher!). However, in our modern world of processed foods, it is difficult to know what ingredients are in your food and how they were processed, so it is helpful to have a rabbi examine the food and its processing and assure kosher consumers that the food is kosher. This certification process is discussed below.
There is no such thing as "kosher-style" food. Kosher is not a style of cooking. Chinese food can be kosher if it is prepared in accordance with Jewish law, and there are many fine kosher Chinese restaurants in Philadelphia and New York. Traditional Ashkenazic Jewish foods like knishes, bagels, blintzes, and matzah ball soup can all be non-kosher if not prepared in accordance with Jewish law. When a restaurant calls itself "kosher-style," it usually means that the restaurant serves these traditional Jewish foods, and it almost invariably means that the food is not actually kosher.
Food that is not kosher is commonly referred to as treif (lit. torn, from the commandment not to eat animals that have been torn by other animals).
Why Do We Observe the Laws of Kashrut?
Many modern Jews think that the laws of kashrut are simply primitive health regulations that have become obsolete with modern methods of food preparation. There is no question that some of the dietary laws have some beneficial health effects. For example, the laws regarding kosher slaughter are so sanitary that kosher butchers and slaughterhouses have been exempted from many USDA regulations.
However, health is not the only reason for Jewish dietary laws. Many of the laws of kashrut have no known connection with health. To the best of our modern scientific knowledge, there is no reason why camel or rabbit meat (both treif) is any less healthy than cow or goat meat. In addition, some of the health benefits to be derived from kashrut were not made obsolete by the refrigerator. For example, there is some evidence that eating meat and dairy together interferes with digestion, and no modern food preparation technique reproduces the health benefit of the kosher law of eating them separately.