The Origins of Religion, Magic Mushrooms, and The Dawn of Civilization: The Box Set

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by nshanin

Do animals hallucinate, rizzo?

this is a trick question

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by Obbe

McKenna on psilocybin and language development:


Language of Psilocybin

This is particularly interesting considering the conclusions of Julian Jaynes about the role of language in consciousness formation - not to mention hallucinations.

More on that in this thread. But please mind the tolls.

This seems relevent, I don't remember if he goes into ethneogens or not (he probably does):
Huxley on Language

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

this is a trick question

In what way?

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by Obbe

I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations.

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again.

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

Originally Posted by Obbe

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Tell us what you meant for the past year, asserting all that can be known is I AM, making everything else an illusion.

EDIT:

"And really, is there an objective reality?"

"Certainly, but are you able to verify what is real and not?"

"You made it quite clear that you believe the monitor is objectively real based on your subjective perception of it existing. Unfortunately that does not mean you have confirmed it does."

These nuggets and more found here http://www.totse.com/community/showt...2138683&page=2

That is just one random post I found by clicking on your show all post, and going to the last page. I can post A TON more of the SAME BULLSHIT idea you have been puking on here for the past year, if you like.

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again.

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Do you have to believe the arguments you make? Have you never argued for the sake of it, BP?

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by nshanin

Do you have to believe the arguments you make? Have you never argued for the sake of it, BP?

Sure, I have assumed there was a God to make an argument, and contended things, just for the sake of argument.

What I have not done, is seriously suggest "Nothing can be known", insert myself into a discussion just to trollishly puke that off topic, unfalsifiable bit of derailing horseshit, or argue a point until that is my last refuge, so I don't have to admit I am wrong.

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Why concern yourself with it?

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Sure, I have assumed there was a God to make an argument, and contended things, just for the sake of argument.

What I have not done, is seriously suggest "Nothing can be known", insert myself into a discussion just to trollishly puke that off topic, unfalsifiable bit of derailing horseshit, or argue a point until that is my last refuge, so I don't have to admit I am wrong.

An argument is an argument and must be addressed regardless of its source. Do you agree?

[BrokeProphet]

Originally Posted by nshanin

An argument is an argument and must be addressed regardless of its source. Do you agree?

I agree, which is why I am not arguing with his OP, could care less.

I asked a simple question regarding his apparent hypocrisy and contradiction, he has yet to answer beyond stamping his foot, calling me a troll, and taking his ball and going home.

I ask again, how and why is this any of your concern?

[nshanin]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

I ask again, how and why is this any of your concern?

Just curious.

[Vanhalla]

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

How does one hallucinate, when their world consists of illusions already?

Originally Posted by Obbe

It would depend on what this person considers real. Ifyou are suggesting that hallucinations are impossible because the "real world" is only an illusion, I would question how you know what is an illusion and what is not.

It appears that part of what is being said here is that what one considers to be the “real world” can be a vastly dfferent experience than what one would consider the “otherworld”. Assuming that the so called “real world” is an illusion, the capability for there to be an hallucination within The Hallucination would not only follow suit, but would seem to be a highly probable outcome.

One must remember the story of the drinking gorilla and the five dancing donkeys.

The morrel of which being:

Looks can be deceiving.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

So tell me, how a person can hallucinate after taking an illusionary mushroom, and putting it in ther illusionary mouth, and having it affect their illusionary brain.

Because it’s all an illusion.
Or as Obbe said:

Originally Posted by Obbe

I can only speculate, that within this apparently illusory reality, this illusory person would have illusory hallucinations

You (once again) misinterpret what I have meant in past threads by calling reality an illusion.

Originally Posted by BrokeProphet

Again

Either you don't believe the bullshit you have stated on here time and time again

Or you do believe it and are wasting your time with this thread.

Nothing in this thread suggests that he doesn’t believe what he has stated.

If he does believe it’s all an illusion (including time), than spenng his illusion one way or another way can only be considered wasted by Obbe.