Any one have logical explaination.

[Fezanator]

Does any one have a argument or logical explanation to prove some one wrong or even just make them question themselves their religion. I'm not trying to disprove the whole religion, just maybe certain points. Some people are so fixated and wont budge on even considering some one elese's religion or even whether theirs is wrong.

[---Beany---]

It kinda depends on how fixed in their ways they are, but why even bother. I think it's best just to let them come to a realisation on their own.

[mindovermusic]

depends on the religion, the argument, and the person
one of my hobbies is making people question their faith. Not in a dick way of making them lose hope and such forth, but to show them that critical thinking is important and you shouldnt accept a religion just because you are born into it. I generally start with finding a logical flaw, pushing it ad absurdum until they crack just enough to see that there can be errors in scripture/religious leaders/what have you, and once you have that initial crack it gets easier to slowly chip away the bullshit. I have no problem with people keeping their faith after I'm done with them, in fact I prefer it, if they cave to my logic, they are just as gullible. Just be careful you don't indoctrinate them with your own personal dogma.

[LovesRequiem]

Yes, and I will take this idea from a Sam Harris speech.

The first step is making them see why the rationality behind religion is absolutely absurd.
If people applied the reasoning they use with religion to anything else, no one would take them seriously. If someone believed they had a huge hole in their backyard with a diamond the size of a refrigerator, and you ask him why. And he says, "No you don't understand, this diamond gives my life a lot of meaning. My family loves the gatherings we have on the lawn digging at the pit every Sunday, and you want to take that away from us? I wouldn't wanna live in a universe where there wasn't a diamond in my lawn the size of my refrigerator." Yet take the same kind of thinking into the religious domain, and it has great prestige.
As soon as religion is brought up, it's suddenly non-discussable. It's all bets off, the sky's the limit.

[Tyrant]

You can't reason a person out of a position he never reasoned himself into in the first place.

[LovesRequiem]

Originally Posted by Tyrant

You can't reason a person out of a position he never reasoned himself into in the first place.

That's a nice quote, but there definitely are people who used to be religious who are now Atheists.

[CatharticWeek]

As with most problems, some kind of objective compromise is needed.
Between atheism and theism it makes sense that nature is science, but also divine.

[ArmsMerchant]

"Logic" is highly over-rated, and should have no part in spiritual discourse.

Anyway, one could make an argument that was totally logical and totally specious, if the fundamental assumptions were askew.

Hitler's ideas were logical--if you accept the basic premise that Jews are inherantly evil and should be exterminated.

[KikoSanchez]

Logic and reason must still be used to make any sense of an argument tho. Of course, we are advising sound arguments to dissuade the believers, not just obscurantist rhetoric.

[MongolianThroatCancer]

research the mystical part. What i've noticed is that the general population believes in something different than what the mystics believe. Take judaism for example, they believe that god is a supreme being, king of the universe. But if you look at kaballah and other forms of jewish mysticism you see that god is really just a personification of reality, god is everything, its that natural force we know is there but can't see.

in other words, find a way to convince that not only are they "wrong" but you know more about their religion than they do.