A question about Muhammed

[jurainus]

My friend and I were discussing random things. At some point he said that Mohammad assasinated poets that satirized or criticized Islam. I checked his info frokm the wikipedia and it seems he was right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_'Afak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asma_bint_Marwan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka'b_ibn_al-Ashraf

What the f___?

Do you muslims have anything to say about these incidents?

I'm pretty neutral towards muslims, but If these stories are true I must consider Mohammed evil and his religion as a threat to freedom of speech and many other rights.

How can one be a peace and freedom of speech loving muslim and still believe in a religion made by a guy(or God) who kills people just for disagreeing and satirizing.

[Abrahim]

ZIP IT!

Firstly I don't believe in the histories of Muhammed written several centuries after he existed by people who never knew him.

I don't believe he killed people who mocked the religion as the Qur'an mentions people mocking the religion and it says to leave them alone.

Muslims to this day are often seen as Anti Freedom of Speech. Christians too were at one time heavilly anti freedom of speech.

I don't believe the Bible or the Qur'an say to kill people who mock religion or to block freedom of speech.

[Martini]

quote:originally posted by Abrahim

Muslims to this day are often seen as Anti Freedom of Speech.

And millions of muslims are anti freedom of speech. Sharia law does not allow freedom of speech on such matters as criticism of the prophet Muhammad. Don't forget about Salman Rushdie and the recent cartoon fiasco. I'm not talking about just a few fringe groups here. Freedom of speech, music and art has been trampled upon throughout Islam's history.

[This message has been edited by Martini (edited 08-24-2006).]

[anonymouslyaware]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

ZIP IT!

Firstly I don't believe in the histories of Muhammed written several centuries after he existed by people who never knew him.

I don't believe he killed people who mocked the religion as the Qur'an mentions people mocking the religion and it says to leave them alone.

Muslims to this day are often seen as Anti Freedom of Speech. Christians too were at one time heavilly anti freedom of speech.

I don't believe the Bible or the Qur'an say to kill people who mock religion or to block freedom of speech.

Okay now, to add on to this, Wikipedia articles can be edited by ANYONE, ANYWHERE. A lot of the time their articles are incorrect in many ways. No, Muhammad did not kill people who critized(sp) Islam, and that's based on the thousands of different books/scriptures that people wrote about his life in that era.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

And millions of muslims are anti freedom of speech. Sharia law does not allow freedom of speech on such matters as criticism of the prophet Muhammad. Don't forget about Salman Rushdie and the recent cartoon fiasco. I'm not talking about just a few fringe groups here. Freedom of speech, music and art has been trampled upon throughout Islam's history.

That's completely true with the cartoon fiasco and all, and yet, people in America couldn't do shit about it mainly because the law prohibited us from doing anything besides speaking. Which we did do.

[This message has been edited by anonymouslyaware (edited 08-25-2006).]

[Abrahim]

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

And millions of muslims are anti freedom of speech. Sharia law does not allow freedom of speech on such matters as criticism of the prophet Muhammad. Don't forget about Salman Rushdie and the recent cartoon fiasco. I'm not talking about just a few fringe groups here. Freedom of speech, music and art has been trampled upon throughout Islam's history.

I suppose freedom of speech encompasses the freedom for Muslims to complain about imagery which insulted them and call for it to be banned.

It wasn't so much that it was about Muhammed, but rather that it showed Arabs in a bad light, somewhat stereotypical and prejudiced, an arab with a turban and a sword and a scraggly beard and an angry expression often insult the arab people. Arabs protested at the depiction of Arabs in Alladin as well. The Muhammed thing was not the main issue, as if it had shown Muhammed and Arabs in an extremely positive light, I don't really believe huge riots would've occured. Pictures of Muhammed are produced elsewhere and are not shown in an insulting way that insults arabs and they have not protested. The issue was that of Ethnic Prejudice towards Arabs, the propagation of a Negative Stereotype which the arab people did not take kindly to, so they rioted and protested. They spoke out against it, which freedom of speech allowed, but they should be made clear that the real underlying issue was the ethnic prejudice they saw in it, the way it depicted not only their Prophet but the Arab People.

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The Qur'an says nothing about rioting or protesting insults to a Prophet but rather says to leave those who will blind themselves with insults to be dealt with later, and to continue on the straight course to God by doing right and being upright and righteous and good.

Perhaps it's not too late for you Martini man, want to come back?

[Martini]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim

I suppose freedom of speech encompasses the freedom for Muslims to complain about imagery which insulted them and call for it to be banned.

That sure is twisting things. Yes, freedom of speech encompasses the freedom for Muslims to complain about imagery which insulted them and call for it to be banned. But Sharia law specifically takes away the right to criticize the prophet Muhammad.

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim

The Qur'an says nothing about...

Most of the answers you give here concerning Islam are incomplete or inaccurate because you only go to the Quran as a reference.

I know you that you reject all hadith, but you are in a small minority of Muslims that do. When someone asks a question regarding Islam, you give only your Quran only answer, and don't give the correct answer on what it is that the majority of Muslims around the world believe.

[Abrahim]

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

That sure is twisting things. Yes, freedom of speech encompasses the freedom for Muslims to complain about imagery which insulted them and call for it to be banned. But Sharia law specifically takes away the right to criticize the prophet Muhammad.

Most of the answers you give here concerning Islam are incomplete or inaccurate because you only go to the Quran as a reference.

I know you that you reject all hadith, but you are in a small minority of Muslims that do. When someone asks a question regarding Islam, you give only your Quran only answer, and don't give the correct answer on what it is that the majority of Muslims around the world believe.

True, I reject all Hadith and give only the Qur'anic answer and not all people who call themselves Muslim follow the Qur'an but rather they follow Hadith and what those in a position of more "spiritual authority and knowledge" tell them, often based on the Hadith rather than the Qur'an. The Qur'an warns of such a phenomenon and the Hadith often brings in ideas which are not in the Qur'an or contradictory to the Qur'an, and I find that those who follow the Qur'an are on the right path, those who follow other books which where written centuries after the death of Muhammed by people who had no direct connection or knowledge of him, should be discounted as the Qur'an is sufficient and clear. The Qur'an is where the religion of Islam is mentioned and the word Muslim and it is what gives all the information on how to be one. Interested in Islam? Look to the Qur'an. Interested in Islam based sects such as the Sunni and Shi'a? Look to their additional books of their own manufactor.

[elfstone]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

It wasn't so much that it was about Muhammed, but rather that it showed Arabs in a bad light, somewhat stereotypical and prejudiced, an arab with a turban and a sword and a scraggly beard and an angry expression often insult the arab people.

And what a better way to react than verify this very picture?

Face it, the muslim religion is as stupid as christianity with the additional fault that it makes christians look good.

[anonymouslyaware]

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

And what a better way to react than verify this very picture?

Face it, the muslim religion is as stupid as christianity with the additional fault that it makes christians look good.

Evidence to support what you just stated? I don't think so.

[elfstone]

quote:Originally posted by anonymouslyaware:



Evidence to support what you just stated? I don't think so.

If you need more evidence than the actual texts of the "holy" books, then you got a problem.