What I don't understand...

[King_Cotton]

is this: An embryonic stem cell cannot think critically. It cannot speak. It cannot practice faith. It cannot commit acts of kindness, wisdom, or compassion. It is, in most respects, no better than an animal. Now, every Catholic I've talked to on this subject believes that we are the masters of animals, and if an animal must die for the betterment of the human race, then so be it.

So where's the problem in tampering with a cell that is basically an animal in order to prevent diseases and such?

If you find a flaw in my characteristics of mankind, tell me, what makes a man?

[This message has been edited by King_Cotton (edited 07-26-2006).]

[---Beany---]

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

So where's the problem in tampering with a cell that is basically an animal in order to prevent diseases and such?

Because diseases rule!!

Seriously though, it's no problem. Do it if you want. Fuck what other people say, what do they know?

[Charchars]

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

is this: An embryonic stem cell cannot think critically. It cannot speak. It cannot practice faith. It cannot commit acts of kindness, wisdom, or compassion. It is, in most respects, no better than an animal. Now, every Catholic I've talked to on this subject believes that we are the masters of animals, and if an animal must die for the betterment of the human race, then so be it.

So where's the problem in tampering with a cell that is basically an animal in order to prevent diseases and such?

If you find a flaw in my characteristics of mankind, tell me, what makes a man?

the fact is, there is none.

i hate those bullshit radical "christian" who condemn everything that doesnt have to do with the bible, if i can pick a flower, in turn killing it, why cant I do it to another organism?

[Graemy]

no an embryonic stem cell is worse than an animal it can't do anything. it is a vegetable until it's heart starts pumping then it is an animal.

[kenwih]

except that the stem cell is genetically human.

[Graemy]

exactly a human vegetable

[Truth is all]

Wow! Compassion abounds in here haha. Any thing that is multiplieing in cells is a living thing. Brain activity starts ... what three weeks after conception? I am not too sure, but here is a fun fact, what if your mother considered you as just a vegetable? You would have died because someone chose that you were not human. Yet, here you are, a living breathing human with hopes and dreams and beliefs all your own. Why is it that I can not choose to kill some one if it is ok to kill a child? YOU were once concieved and nothing more then a cell, but you grew and became who you are today. Of course the Bible says do not kill ... I think we all know that killing is bad. That is like saying ... hmmm lets kill all mentally handicapped people, they dont have the same thought process as us so i guess they dont deserve life. Life is never your choice and believe it or not that embryo is a human life whether you like it or not. Abortion is murder whether you think it is just a cell or not. It isnt about what you think, it is about what the truth is. That truth is that we all started out as embryos, from conception we are human beings, just because we are small does that make us less of a human being? Is a child not really a human being yet because its brain hasnt developed to your level? Of course not. Do not make cold hearted comments. Millions of peoples lives are taken each year because they arent considered people. They arent considered people because they aer small. Give me a break. Consider this please.

[Merlinman2005]

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

is this: An embryonic stem cell cannot think critically. It cannot speak. It cannot practice faith. It cannot commit acts of kindness, wisdom, or compassion. It is, in most respects, no better than an animal. Now, every Catholic I've talked to on this subject believes that we are the masters of animals, and if an animal must die for the betterment of the human race, then so be it.

So where's the problem in tampering with a cell that is basically an animal in order to prevent diseases and such?

If you find a flaw in my characteristics of mankind, tell me, what makes a man?

Because people AREN'T animals (well, we are, but WE are, not just stem cells). Doesn't matter at what stage of development they're at.

[Abrahim]

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

is this: An embryonic stem cell cannot think critically. It cannot speak. It cannot practice faith. It cannot commit acts of kindness, wisdom, or compassion. It is, in most respects, no better than an animal. Now, every Catholic I've talked to on this subject believes that we are the masters of animals, and if an animal must die for the betterment of the human race, then so be it.

So where's the problem in tampering with a cell that is basically an animal in order to prevent diseases and such?

If you find a flaw in my characteristics of mankind, tell me, what makes a man?

I think animals can be kind or cruel. When you have lots you'll notice individual personalities, deeds, acts, decisions. They iz peeplz.

[The_Big_Beef]

quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

Wow! Compassion abounds in here haha. Any thing that is multiplieing in cells is a living thing. Brain activity starts ... what three weeks after conception? I am not too sure, but here is a fun fact, what if your mother considered you as just a vegetable? You would have died because someone chose that you were not human. Yet, here you are, a living breathing human with hopes and dreams and beliefs all your own. Why is it that I can not choose to kill some one if it is ok to kill a child? YOU were once concieved and nothing more then a cell, but you grew and became who you are today. Of course the Bible says do not kill ... I think we all know that killing is bad. That is like saying ... hmmm lets kill all mentally handicapped people, they dont have the same thought process as us so i guess they dont deserve life. Life is never your choice and believe it or not that embryo is a human life whether you like it or not. Abortion is murder whether you think it is just a cell or not. It isnt about what you think, it is about what the truth is. That truth is that we all started out as embryos, from conception we are human beings, just because we are small does that make us less of a human being? Is a child not really a human being yet because its brain hasnt developed to your level? Of course not. Do not make cold hearted comments. Millions of peoples lives are taken each year because they arent considered people. They arent considered people because they aer small. Give me a break. Consider this please.

LOL ok. 1st if my parents or whatever considered to abort me and did then i wouldnt be here right now. so what, if i was never born i wouldnt have known anything and therefore never would have had dreams. so your not exactly taking dreams away from them as you are not letting them experience what they dont know.

2nd think about this now. what if the baby that was aborted and given up for research for new cures for new diseases was actually used and with this particular fetus they found the cure for cancer or some other life threatening disease. i think that ONE fetus that was aborted was worth all the lives that it would save.

3rd all throughout europe and every other place that can afford to do so is expiramenting with stem cells and embreyos and what not. id rather america find something miraculous if not first than at least be par with everyone else. otherwise america will slowy shift from the power-house nation to pussy america ruled by radical hippies/christians who are afraid of change.

trust me their lives are being put to better use in a laboratory than them growing up to be people who work at mcdonalds for the rest of their life, making minimum wage and breeding more dumbasses.