If there is God, why can't I see Him?

[quasicurus]

As a child, I often asked the know-it-all adults: “If there’s God, why can’t I see Him?”

Now, many, many years later, I have forgotten to ask theists this. Instead, spending my time and effort on more complex arguments such as free will & causality, soul, memory & identity, intelligent design & evolution, etc.

Luckily, I stumble upon Nicolas Fearn's book.

Excerpt from Nicolas Fearn’s Zeno and the Tortoise: How To Think Like A Philosopher:

When, for example, someone repeatedly refuses your offer of a date, it could be because they have been exceptionally busy for that past six months, because they are too nervous to accept, or because you have not yet suggested an appealing venue. The simplest explanation, however − and the normal assumption in the circumstances − is to conclude that the person does not fancy you. Until they express feelings to the contrary, this position is advisable if you want to save energy.

What's Fearn talking about?

Occam's Razor

[Abrahim]

What is it you're expecting to see? Do you not see it now?

[quasicurus]

The Prophets are able to see Him.

I can't!

[Dragonsthrone]

You don't think you can see God because he doesn't exsist in Earths dimensions, but if you open your eyes and start looking for Him, you will find evidence of Him everywhere.

[Rust]

quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

You don't think you can see God because he doesn't exsist in Earths dimensions, but if you open your eyes and start looking for Him, you will find evidence of Him everywhere.

What an amazingly idiotic and meaningless thing to say.

[Abrahim]

quote:Originally posted by Dragonsthrone:

You don't think you can see God because he doesn't exsist in Earths dimensions, but if you open your eyes and start looking for Him, you will find evidence of Him everywhere.

I don't believe any prophet ever saw God. Why? There is absolutely nothing to be seen except what we see every single day! God has no image and is not somewhere, but rather, we exist within God, we are made of God, existing only because of God, and God is the ultimate control. How is this? What proof of there is this? People imagine God as something to be somewhere, an image fit into a form when they don't realize God is the very Reality they exist within, that everything is made of, that we are controlled by and can not escape. All the possible options we have for what we can possibly do or think at any time are available ahead of time, if the availability didn't exist within the system then no one would be able to think that specific thought or perform that specific action. What we can't think will always be unknown to us. God is what all possibilities and possible universes and realities exist within. God is the Ultimate Reality, infinite, no image or constraints. What you see every single day, what you interact with every moment, what you utilize every second of your life is God. God is the Reality. Surrounding you, within you, without you, self sufficient, you are part of it, within it, existing only because it exists, if it did not exist, absolutely nothing would exist. It is essentially all there is.

But people deem themselves self sufficient, at times they may feel reality is something they can surpass or escape, or have no need of, they may feel somehow that they are superior to other forms of matter when every single thing, living, non living, past, present, and future is part of the One thing, Reality. You are surrounded, within and without. You see God every day, you live God in every way.

What God would you believe in? You expect to see something limited? In Confines of an image? Within the universe?

[quasicurus]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

I don't believe any prophet ever saw God. Why? There is absolutely nothing to be seen except what we see every single day! God has no image and is not somewhere, but rather, we exist within God, we are made of God, existing only because of God, and God is the ultimate control. How is this? What proof of there is this? People imagine God as something to be somewhere, an image fit into a form when they don't realize God is the very Reality they exist within, that everything is made of, that we are controlled by and can not escape. All the possible options we have for what we can possibly do or think at any time are available ahead of time, if the availability didn't exist within the system then no one would be able to think that specific thought or perform that specific action. What we can't think will always be unknown to us. God is what all possibilities and possible universes and realities exist within. God is the Ultimate Reality, infinite, no image or constraints. What you see every single day, what you interact with every moment, what you utilize every second of your life is God. God is the Reality. Surrounding you, within you, without you, self sufficient, you are part of it, within it, existing only because it exists, if it did not exist, absolutely nothing would exist. It is essentially all there is.

But people deem themselves self sufficient, at times they may feel reality is something they can surpass or escape, or have no need of, they may feel somehow that they are superior to other forms of matter when every single thing, living, non living, past, present, and future is part of the One thing, Reality. You are surrounded, within and without. You see God every day, you live God in every way.

What God would you believe in? You expect to see something limited? In Confines of an image? Within the universe?

You realise that if I were to replace "God" with "Existence", everything you had typed would still be as coherent still?

[Abrahim]

Yes. That's what "God" is. You are seeing and living it now.

[quasicurus]

quote:Originally posted by Abrahim:

Yes. That's what "God" is. You are seeing and living it now.

In that case, God does not sent you to Hell or grant you salvation. You must be a pantheist?

[Abrahim]

[quote]quote:Originally posted by quasicurus:

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Originally posted by Abrahim:

Yes. That's what "God" is. You are seeing and living it now.

In that case, God does not sent you to Hell or grant you salvation. You must be a pantheist?

I'm not sure if I'm a pantheist, but though God is the Reality we exist within, interact with, and are made of, God does in my opinion send learning and guidance to mankind through enlightened scripture and prophets, and does execute eventual judgement and justice. Those who were self destructive and destructive, negative in action, doing "bad" for themselves and others, will be punished likewise. Those who did good for themselves and others will be rewarded likewise. My proof of this? None save that it is in the message that claims to be from God.



[This message has been edited by Abrahim (edited 05-19-2006).]