Gay marriage

budnboardindude · #1 2004-03-15, 21:42

all of the christians out there say that we cant have gay marriage because it will interfere with the sanctity of their own marriage. How does it affect you and your wife if you live in florida if a gay couple gets married in california? Usually, then, the christians will say that being a child growing up with gay parents can harm the child and make him/her less social and less competent. According to studies this is entirely untrue. The kids grow up just fine and even most of the time are better adjusted to different circumstances. What if the couple doesnt even have kids? Tell me what you all think about this subject.

theBishop · #2 2004-03-15, 22:47

I'm a christian. I think Gays should have the right to get married. Protecting the "sanctity" of anything is not the government's job, at least in America.

I'd like to see your source about children of gay couples. Personally i think i would be pretty upset as i was getting older and realizing that i had 2 daddies and most kids had a mommy and a daddy. I suppose two loving parents of any sex is better than living in a foster home, but i'm still torn on that issue.

I do think that the line on what can marry what needs to be drawn at some point though. For instance, I should not be able to marry my dog. Not to equate homosexuality with beastiality, but allowing gays to marry is a similar change in the fundemental conception of what marriage is. If it was legal, many mormons would be practicing polygamy today, but the government doesn't allow that. I'm not going to say what is right and wrong, but i think a line should be drawn somewhere.

theBishop

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SEN D-F · #3 2004-03-16, 13:33

I don't understand the whole 'dogs marrying people, and pllygamy' argument. It doesn't make sense at all. How would this happen if they were to define marriage as the union bewteen two people? I guess anyone using this argument assumes they'll redefine it to 'whoever wants to jump in' or something.

As for a kid getting pissed as he learns hes only got two dads, thats stupid. If this kids loved, hes not going to start resenting his parents just because they're gay. He will have grown up in that enviroment his entire life, and I doubt he'll care about having a mother. Thats like saying kids growing up in single parent homes will grow up to hate their parent for not being married. Ive known a couple kids with gay parents and they never gave a shit.

DrulazycSableraven · #4 2004-03-19, 12:38

Bishop,

It's people like you that cause the kind of stigma that surrounds gay marriages.

Ideally, it wouldnt matter if kids had two dads or two mums or a mum and a dad, because if parents take care of, and love thier children then it shouldnt matter.

And, another thing; at least the children of a gay couple would feel wanted, and wouldnt be treated like "accidents" or "mistakes"

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Drulazyc

kaleidoscope_eyes · #5 2004-03-31, 03:45

well, as far is it being "morally wrong", those people are going to do the same things unmarried as they are married. and anyway, it's just a goddamn piece of paper that says they're married. you could get a guy off the street or some canadian to marry you...it's not a big ceremonious thing it used to be. or better yet just go to vegas. anyway, the point is, we did the same thing to blacks...persecution...and now we look back on it and think, wow, that was dumb. 50 years from now it'll be the same thing. anyway, i don't see the big issue with gays anyway. personally i think it's probably all psychological...i mean they want to be gay so they tell themselves that they can't help it. it's a fad.

choda · #6 2004-03-31, 03:56

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Nemisis · #7 2004-04-02, 04:46

to choda

Moron!

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Durell · #8 2004-04-02, 10:43

Well, I think gay couples should have a formal ceremony that unifies them and conveys the same legal rights that a marriage does.

However, I don't think marriage "Under God", should be allowed. Mainly because, even in the Bible, the sacrament is about the union of Man and Woman, not man and man or woman and woman.

As for the gay couples raising children, I'd have to agree with Drulazy. As long as you're raised well and loved, then it shouldn't matter who raised you.

inquisitor_11 · #9 2004-04-03, 01:07

Unfortuently, it does matter who raised you even if you are raised well and loved. Im currently doing gender indentity development stuff at the moment in sociology (lots of Freudian penis envy...) and whilst single parents and same-sex couples are more than able to raise children well, i think that a mother can still not be a father or a father a mother, regardless of how good a mother or father they might be. And i think that most single parents would agree (although i can't cite anything off the top of my head).

still laughing · #10 2004-04-03, 03:48

I'm not going to repost all of my anti-gay marrage beliefs in here, but there is a pretty large thread in politics on this subject if anyone is interested in more opinnions: http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum14/HTML/002396.html

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