The Gospel Written By Jesus

[WeEdAnDBoOzE]

I heard from someone that they found a gospel they believe was written by Jesus. I haven't heard anything else about it other then it went against organized religion so the Church doesn't accept it.

I don't know if it's real though. Please add your two-bit.

Also, based on Jesus' life do you think he is for organized religion, or just having beliefs and praying on your own?

I think he was against it in some sense. Like he was against money being collected FOR the CHURCH (not poor people). He also didn't agree with a lot of organised religion (Jewish) rules, like not working on the Sabbath.

[mister pointyhat]

Jesus certanly was against organised religion, in fact he protested against it and called these so called holy men hypocrits,and said pray in a cupboard in secret and do not repeat the same prayer over and over. that is the part of the bible were you will find the our father prayer wich jesus suposedly wrote

Jesus is turning in his grave i hope he does come back and destroy all hipocratical orginisations like the vatican, and rebuld them in his true teachings like it says in the bible,

well, how do you expect collecting money for the poor without really having an organization push for it, see in the sense that the church is a charity it works extremely well, no one can deny it, but just like a person it indulges itself

[malaria]

quote:Originally posted by mister pointyhat:

Jesus is turning in his grave

Uhm.. ?

[Dark_Magneto]

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Topic: The Gospel Written By Jesus

Jesus was an illiterate carpenter, which later became a prophet, which latter bacame the messiah, which later became God himself.

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

well, how do you expect collecting money for the poor without really having an organization push for it?

You give the money directly to the poor. They are not that hard to find. You see a down and out homeless vietnam veteran on the side of the street, you help him out.

quote:Originally posted by mister pointyhat:

Jesus is turning in his grave...

Yes he is. Particularly about that "rising on the third day" and "ascending to heaven" bullshit that got wrote about him several decades after his death.

[This message has been edited by Dark_Magneto (edited 07-03-2003).]

[IzzyReele]

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html

it's called the gospel of st. thomas.

there are 52 other texts called the gnostic gospels.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ry/pagels.html

[NChSh]

I'm really sorry I have to be THAT asshole, but according to every bit of verifiable information found to date, Jesus (or Yeshuwa ben Yosef) does not seem to have every actually existed (at least not in the same sense that I, you or cotten candy exists). EVERY significant aspect of his life and miracles were adapted from Greek, Egyptian, Persian, and many other sources, known to exist long before 33 CE.

The gnostic scriptures, found in Nag Hamadi, are the earliest writings refering to this particular Jewish folk hero, everything we now know as the New Testament, was written at least 70 or so years (most of which, hundrends of years) after his supposed death. It seems that Romans were obsessively compulsive record keepers, yet nothing of this man (or anyone resembling him) can be found in their archives (and I'm pretty sure that Pontius Pilat's records should be available online).

One would imagine that someone who caused such a stir would have been noteworthy enough for someone from HIS time to have written something about. If you're interested, check out some history of Sabbatai Sevi (a completely obscure Jewish messiah) and see for yourself how much info is available on him (from HIS time).

With just a little research, and a little common sense, you'll be able to see exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm really not saying any of this just to bash Christian beliefs, I really think a lot of what has been attributed to Jesus is WAY COOL, but I just doesn't make any sense to perpetuate a myth that people believe so strongly that millions have had to die as a result of.

Peace, y'all

[WeEdAnDBoOzE]

^^^ I don't even believe Jesus cured people or that there is a god.

I just like Jesus' teachings, and you havne't shown any proof there wasn't a simle carpanter from Nazareth named Jesus, who had good morales.

well your all talk about various folk myths and such, Of course there will be some connections or some coincidences with stories after all this is a religion about a man's life, of course they glorify it I really think you should read more about the bible from an already biased point of you

And Weed and Booze yes Jesus was a carpenter of Nazareth, and the Roman's did keep track of the Jew's not individual people, but there are written documents about how the Jew's revolted about the prophets and the governors of Judea were considered the low lifes and loer part of the higherarchy.

[Rust]

quote:One would imagine that someone who caused such a stir would have been noteworthy enough for someone from HIS time to have written something about.

To the best of my knowledge I belive there are merchant logs, from very far of, that talk about a certain "Jesus of Nazareth that has healed the sick and cured the blind."

Im not 100% sure though.

quote:believe so strongly that millions have had to die as a result of.

Care to tell us where these millions come from? To the best of my knowledge the Christian crusade and holy wars were fought because of the Church, not because of what Jesus teached.

Jesus, existing or not, teached love and understanding.