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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

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Old 2008-12-09, 20:08
killallthewhiteman killallthewhiteman is offline
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fuck man thats heaps.

Dont pay attention to holy wood, it takes commitment to be kosher huh. Its admirable that jews pay such close attention to their diet, even if it lacks an ontological basis they are still paying more attention to the secular atheist who has no clear defined rules on diet, in other words because Jews are conscious of their diet they are using discrimination which is the most fundamental aspect to human consciousness; whilst the westerners go about with there diet indiscriminately without any ontological basis other than the material sense of taste. Its funny that people like Hollywood are critical of kosher diet when they pay no attention to their diet (at least he did not argue this, which he should of since he disagreed with you).

Thank you for explaining the reality of kosher but i would like to know about the ontology of the kosher diet.

So obviously its Judaic law, is this because keeping a kosher diet will strengthen the relationship with God? If so what is so spiritual about discriminating between these animals and animal products.

One of the ten commandments is though shalt not kill; so why are you killing animals?

Is killing an animal something different to "killing" as it is defined in your scripture?

God created all living entities with a soul; this is not the scientific definition of "living"; what gives Jews the right to kill another soul? Surely that should be left to God?

That is my reality; the ontology is that God created all things; i think that is something that Jews understand. Our true nature is that we are not this material body but an eternal spirit soul. Killing an animal is in the mode of ignorance to the mode of satva (spiritual understanding /knowledge), which is the most favorable mode.(note: i am not a vegetarian but im working on it).

How is it that killing animals and going against your commandment is in the mode of satva; or bringing you closer to God?

Do share the jewish understanding
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Old 2008-12-10, 16:12
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because Jews are conscious of their diet they are using discrimination which is the most fundamental aspect to human consciousness;
i think this is the answer to your question below

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So obviously its Judaic law, is this because keeping a kosher diet will strengthen the relationship with God? If so what is so spiritual about discriminating between these animals and animal products.
there is nothing out right spiritual about the animals, as you said above it is more about active discrimination.

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One of the ten commandments is though shalt not kill; so why are you killing animals?

Is killing an animal something different to "killing" as it is defined in your scripture?

God created all living entities with a soul; this is not the scientific definition of "living"; what gives Jews the right to kill another soul? Surely that should be left to God?

That is my reality; the ontology is that God created all things; i think that is something that Jews understand. Our true nature is that we are not this material body but an eternal spirit soul. Killing an animal is in the mode of ignorance to the mode of satva (spiritual understanding /knowledge), which is the most favorable mode.(note: i am not a vegetarian but im working on it).

How is it that killing animals and going against your commandment is in the mode of satva; or bringing you closer to God?

Do share the jewish understanding
this is a very interesting chain of thought you just laid out. i will try an explain the jewish view to the best of my abilities, but please be aware that judaism is open to lots of personal interpretations. and what i say, is just one of many views.

killing a man, is indeed different than killing an animal in judaism. according to jewish faith god did give life to all creatures, but did not give souls to all creatures.

we are still prohibited from causeing undue suffering to any animal. animal cruelty is strictly forbidden in the torah an the talmud. this is because we recognize these creatures as gods. and just like our own bodies, we are only borrowing them.

the jews do believe that god created everyone an everything, so in reality everything is god. right down to the cow in my burger. but jews feel it is ok to kill these animals an eat them because one, they dont have souls an two god put them here for us.

the killing can bring us closer to god by observing gods commandments an practicing kashrut among other things. as you noted early, it is the discrimination between one thing and another that helps bring us closer to god. i will qoute from an earlier post

"Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin suggests that the dietary laws are designed as a call to holiness. The ability to distinguish between right and wrong, good and evil, pure and defiled, the sacred and the profane, is very important in Judaism. Imposing rules on what you can and cannot eat ingrains that kind of self control, requiring us to learn to control even our most basic, primal instincts.
Donin also points out that the laws of kashrut elevate the simple act of eating into a religious ritual. The Jewish dinner table is often compared to the Temple altar in rabbinic literature. A Jew who observes the laws of kashrut cannot eat a meal without being reminded of the fact that he is a Jew."


hope that helps some.
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Old 2008-12-11, 08:03
killallthewhiteman killallthewhiteman is offline
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the jews do believe that god created everyone an everything, so in reality everything is god. right down to the cow in my burger. but jews feel it is ok to kill these animals an eat them because one, they dont have souls an two god put them here for us.
Any living entity is created by God has a soul; because god is a soul. If an entity does not have its soul it is not living.
Of course there are differences between human animals and non-human animals; but in the spiritual sense it is that humans can be spiritually realized but animals cannot; spiritual realization comes through consciousness. But really most people do not realize this and are not even actively engaged in this just like the animals, so if you use the justification that animals are different to humans then you must not apply a double standard that is - many humans are in the mode of ignorance and passion just like animals. If you can justify killing animals for this reason, then you can justify killing people for this reason.

The soul is simply desire, obviously there are different desires with different qualities.

What im saying is that most human types and quality of desire is synonymous with non-human animals.
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