View Full Version : Is it wrong to believe there is no GOD...and Athiest need to form an Orginization....
Shadowxzzz
2008-12-20, 00:17
An orginization that has been created, for the none believers, not lost...the ones who know there is no god to help us, but eachother...only we can control our lives not a curropted i con.... a friend told me... "they, the beievers...they think God is all powerful...
Can he make a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it?... all powerful is impossible. If he can make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, now he cannot lift the rock, and thus, is not all powerful. If he cannot make a rock that heavy, then that is a power he does not have, and is not all powerful." so join the none believers... and show the curroption of religion...
Whites already have an organization, it's called Aryan Nations (http://www.aryan-nations.org/).
dagnabitt
2008-12-20, 01:33
My God...
An orginization that has been created, for the none believers, not lost...the ones who know there is no god to help us, but eachother...only we can control our lives not a curropted i con.... a friend told me... "they, the beievers...they think God is all powerful...
Can he make a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it?... all powerful is impossible. If he can make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, now he cannot lift the rock, and thus, is not all powerful. If he cannot make a rock that heavy, then that is a power he does not have, and is not all powerful." so join the none believers... and show the curroption of religion...
What you've shown is ...nothing! dOES ALL-POWERFUL include doing illogical things?
AnotherN00b
2008-12-20, 06:27
um....yes. how can it not?
killallthewhiteman
2008-12-21, 06:24
ahhhh g0d c4nT liFt a R0cK11111 Corrupptz
shitty wok
2008-12-21, 08:07
Congrats OP, your the 400th person to make the same vague and poorly structured claim
AngryFemme
2008-12-21, 12:13
But what would be the purpose of the organization? Do you really need your non-believing peers to echo your sentiments back to you?
Your idea is kind of silly, OP.
john_deer
2008-12-21, 22:02
Can he make a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it?... all powerful is impossible. If he can make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, now he cannot lift the rock, and thus, is not all powerful. If he cannot make a rock that heavy, then that is a power he does not have, and is not all powerful." so join the none believers... and show the curroption of religion...
OMG! Everything I believe in and studied it obviously a lie! Thanks OP for your insightful thread, I will now abandon my curropt ways!
BrokeProphet
2008-12-21, 22:21
For all of you theists who pounced on the OP and his rather weak ideas......
........remember it when you whine and cry about the mean old atheists who pounce on you and your rather weak ideas.
For I surely will, and prick that I am, will all too gladly point out your hypocrisy.
killallthewhiteman
2008-12-22, 01:53
Rawwr Iez teh me4N 4Theist i wilL g3T yoU back for this!
Fixed.
For all of you theists who pounced on the OP and his rather weak ideas......
........remember it when you whine and cry about the mean old atheists who pounce on you and your rather weak ideas.
For I surely will, and prick that I am, will all too gladly point out your hypocrisy.
Why should a persons opinion about God influence your decision to "pounce" on them? I mean, you're quick to inform all the theists in this thread that you're gonna be a prick towards them and attack their weak ideas, but you don't say that to the atheists in this thread who also found the OP's ideas to be weak.
Isn't that hypocritical? You're willing to ignore weak ideas as long as they come from an atheist person, like the OP. So is it really the idea you have a problem with, or their opinion about God?
If the OP was talking about creating a theist organization instead of an atheist one, I think your position would be completely different. I think instead of addressing all the dissenters as hypocrites, you would have joined in on their fun. I think you would have gladly responded to the OP with insult, and would have backed up those on "your side".
There shouldn't be two sides Broke. We're all human.
kurdt318
2008-12-25, 01:02
An orginization that has been created, for the none believers, not lost...the ones who know there is no god to help us, but eachother...only we can control our lives not a curropted i con.... a friend told me... "they, the beievers...they think God is all powerful...
Christianity started out the same way...
Can he make a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it?... all powerful is impossible. If he can make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, now he cannot lift the rock, and thus, is not all powerful. If he cannot make a rock that heavy, then that is a power he does not have, and is not all powerful." so join the none believers... and show the curroption of religion...
This is a logical fallacy known as a "meaningless question." E.g., What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
Well, if there were such thing as an unstoppable force, there would not exist an immovable object, and vice versa. Just as if there were such thing as an all powerful being, there would not exist anything that could challenge itself.
TheMessiahComplex
2008-12-27, 02:54
But what would be the purpose of the organization? Do you really need your non-believing peers to echo your sentiments back to you?
Your idea is kind of silly, OP.
Yea that's what I'm thinking. What the hell would an atheist organization do besides say "hey we're atheists." and go about their business.
Roxberry
2008-12-27, 03:46
Yea that's what I'm thinking. What the hell would an atheist organization do besides say "hey we're atheists." and go about their business.
American Atheists:
* Fought fervently to defend the Separation of Religion from GovernmentAppeared in all formes of media to defend our positions and criticisms of religion and mythology
* Held Atheist conventions and gatherings throughout the United States, including "Atheist Pride" Marches in state capitals.
* Demonstrated and picketed throughout the country on behalf of Atheist rights and state church separation. The organization has marched to defend the rights of intellectuals such as writer Salman Rushdie, protested the use of government funds to support public religious displays, and conducted the first picket of a Roman Catholic pope in history.
* Published over 120 books about Atheism, criticism of religion, and state/church separation.Published newsletters, magazines and member-alerts.
* Built a broad outreach in cyberspace with mailing lists, an ftp and web site, FaxNet and other projects to keep members and the general public informed.
* Fostered a growing network of Representatives throughout the nation who monitor important First Amendment issues, and work on behalf of the organization in their areas.
* Grown a network of volunteers who perform a variety of important tasks in their community, from placing American Atheist books in libraries to writing letters and publicizing the Atheist perspective.
* Preserved Atheist literature and history in the nation's largest archive of its kind. The library's holdings span over three hundred years of Atheist thought.Provided speakers for colleges, universities, clubs and the news media.
* Granted college scholarships to young atheist activists
Atheist Alliance International:
Atheist Alliance International (AAI) is an organization of independent religion-free groups and individuals in the United States and around the world. Our primary goals are to help democratic, atheistic societies become established and grow and to work in coalition with like-minded groups to advance rational thinking through educational processes. Virtually all income goes to these causes. We have little paid staff. Our members make all the decisions and do almost all of the work.
The Alliance sponsors annual conventions, publishes Secular Nation magazine, a quarterly magazine of interest to atheists, and The Freethought Directory, an attempt to list all freethought organizations in the world, and the Journal of Higher Criticism, a respected scholarly publication of Biblical study. We sponsor Objectivity, Accuracy, and Balance in Teaching About Religion (OABITAR), a resource for teachers. We maintain a web site that hosts member societies' web sites free of charge.
Freedom From Religion Foundation:
The Freedom From Religion Foundation, with more than 13,000 members, is the largest association of freethinkers (atheists and agnostics) in the United States. FFRF has been working since 1978 to promote freethought and to keep state and church separate.
The Foundation promotes freedom from religion with a weekly national radio show, a newspaper, a freethought billboard campaign and other educational endeavors, including scholarships for freethinking students. The Foundation acts on countless violations of the separation of state and church, and has taken and won many significant complaints and important lawsuits to end state/church entanglements and challenge the "faith-based initiative."
The Brights:
The movement's three major aims are:
1. Promote the civic understanding and acknowledgment of the naturalistic worldview, which is free of supernatural and mystical elements.
2. Gain public recognition that persons who hold such a worldview can bring principled actions to bear on matters of civic importance.
3. Educate society toward accepting the full and equitable civic participation of all such individuals.
Atheist Foundation of Australia:
OUR AIMS
To encourage and to provide a means of expression for informed free-thought on philosophical and social issues.
To safeguard the rights of all non-religious people.
To serve as a focal point for the fellowship of non-religious people.
To offer reliable information in place of superstition and to offer the methodology of reason in place of faith so as to enable people to take responsibility for the full development of their potential as human beings.
To promote atheism.
TheMessiahComplex
2008-12-27, 04:19
^^^^^
Which one was the one with the one with the otters again?
Roxberry
2008-12-27, 04:28
The Allied Atheist Allegiance. They did more than just say "hey we're atheists" also. They had an important mission statement, although it wasn't beneficial for us humans.
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155388/
TheMessiahComplex
2008-12-27, 04:43
Yea I read through the whole descriptions of all those things and aside from the litigation it really does just boil down to PR. They might have more bombastic language to vindicate it, but at the end of the day they're all really just saying "Hey, we're atheists. Pay attention to us."
It's not necessarily a bad thing, as I think atheism does need some better PR and more widespread acceptance, but fuck if I could ever join an atheist association without feeling like a tool for doing it.
That's just me though. By all means, do your thing.
Steal_Everything8
2008-12-27, 06:16
Why should a persons opinion about God influence your decision to "pounce" on them? I mean, you're quick to inform all the theists in this thread that you're gonna be a prick towards them and attack their weak ideas, but you don't say that to the atheists in this thread who also found the OP's ideas to be weak.
Isn't that hypocritical? You're willing to ignore weak ideas as long as they come from an atheist person, like the OP. So is it really the idea you have a problem with, or their opinion about God?
If the OP was talking about creating a theist organization instead of an atheist one, I think your position would be completely different. I think instead of addressing all the dissenters as hypocrites, you would have joined in on their fun. I think you would have gladly responded to the OP with insult, and would have backed up those on "your side".
There shouldn't be two sides Broke. We're all human.
You completely missed his point. You took what he said and twisted it into something other than what he was intending. He was simply saying that, yes, the OPs argument is weak, but to remember it and use it to self-analyze yourself and your own opinion, because they too, may be weak.
RednaXela
2008-12-29, 07:32
creating an institution to fight religion - wow your no better than the pope - your a dumbass
Roxberry
2008-12-29, 14:58
creating an institution to fight religion - wow your no better than the pope - your a dumbass
So, you think something is wrong with the Pope, but it's wrong to fight against these wrongs? When the Church claims that condoms don't stop Aids (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/09/aids), it's just as wrong to fight this sort of bullshit and group together to educate others that religious nonsense is not only nonsense, it's downright dangerous?
An omnipotent God could easily create an unliftable rock and lift it
just because we perceive it as a paradox does not mean that a truly omnipotent being is bound by our logic or our perceptions of possibility
^ Logic not applying to a god creates a huge number of problems for the religion. If they want to inherit those problems isntead of being honest, then they are most welcome to.
^ Logic not applying to a god creates a huge number of problems for the religion. If they want to inherit those problems isntead of being honest, then they are most welcome to.
Logic not applying to God also negates the validity of any logical critique of the religion
it does not so much create problems for the religion as it does create insurmountable problems for the possibility of meaningful religious discussion
If reality is logical, what is its point?
Logic not applying to God also negates the validity of any logical critique of the religion
According to who/what exactly?
It defining itself into a position that cannot be critiqued is a pretty devastating critique in itself. There is virtue in falsifiable things.
According to who/what exactly?
It defining itself into a position that cannot be critiqued is a pretty devastating critique in itself. There is virtue in falsifiable things.
It is surely clear that it is useless to use logic to try to find flaws in something which logic does not apply to
it is a major shortcoming of religion in the sense that it cannot be proven or effectively argued, but the purpose of religion in itself is not self-criticism or providing proof
It is surely clear that it is useless to use logic to try to find flaws in something which logic does not apply to
I agree, but that does not change the fact that:
a. The god would be able to contradict logic, not the practitioners of the religion or the religion itself.
b. It's a their claim that he can contradict logic. Whether or not that is possible and/or whether or not they have established that as true can be critiqued.
I too agree that religious structure and the validity of its followers' beliefs can of course be logically critiqued and perhaps should have chosen my words more carefully
but by (illogically) choosing to believe in something beyond logic the value of a logical argument against Christianity to a Christian is negated
1. Whether it can be critiqued and whether the critiqued would be "valuable" are two different things.
2. Reality doesn't give a shit what Christians believe.