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MilkAndInnards
2006-06-16, 08:23
If the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions?

Taken from EvilBible.com

Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works

Gen 1:31

God is dissatisfied with his works.

Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples

2 Chron 7:12,16

God dwells not in temples

Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light

Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness

1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard

Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/

Ex 24:9-11

God is invisible and cannot be heard

John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests

Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6

God is never tired and never rests

Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things

Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21

God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all

things

Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men

Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3

God tries men to find out what is in their heart

Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful

Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful

Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable

James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19

God is changeable

Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/

Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial

Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial

Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil

Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil

1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask

James 1:5/ Luke 11:10

God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving

them

John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him

Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17

God is not to be found by those who seek him

Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike

Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15

God is peaceful

Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious

Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19

God is kind, merciful, and good

James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long

Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4

God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute

Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,

sacrifices ,and holy days

Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9

God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,

sacrifices, and holy days.

Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices

2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39

God forbids human sacrifice

Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men

Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13

God tempts no man

James 1:13

20. God cannot lie

Heb 6:18

God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive

2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him

Gen 6:5,7

Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him

Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.

Rom 1:20

God's attributes cannot be discovered

Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God

Deut 6:4

There is a plurality of gods

Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7



Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded

Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36

Robbery forbidden

Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

25. Lying approved and sanctioned

Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22

Lying forbidden

Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned

2 Kings 14:7,3

Hatred to the Edomite forbidden

Deut 23:7

27. Killing commanded

Ex 32:27

Killing forbidden

Ex 20:13

28. The blood-shedder must die

Gen 9:5,6

The blood-shedder must not die

Gen 4:15

29. The making of images forbidden

Ex 20:4

The making of images commanded

Ex 25:18,20

30. Slavery and oppression ordained

Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8

Slavery and oppression forbidden

Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10

31. Improvidence enjoyed

Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3

Improvidence condemned

1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22

32. Anger approved

Eph 4:26

Anger disapproved

Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20

33. Good works to be seen of men

Matt 5:16

Good works not to be seen of men

Matt 6:1

34. Judging of others forbidden

Matt 7:1,2

Judging of others approved

1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12

35. Christ taught non-resistance

Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52

Christ taught and practiced physical resistance

Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed

Luke 12:4

Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed

John 7:1

37. Public prayer sanctioned

1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3

Public prayer disapproved

Matt 6:5,6

38. Importunity in prayer commended

Luke 18:5,7

Importunity in prayer condemned

Matt 6:7,8

39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned

Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5

The wearing of long hair by men condemned

1 Cor 11:14

40. Circumcision instituted

Gen 17:10

Circumcision condemned

Gal 5:2

41. The Sabbath instituted

Ex 20:8

The Sabbath repudiated

Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16

42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day

Ex 20:11

The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites

out of Egypt

Deut 5:15

43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death

Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36

Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in

the same

John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5

44. Baptism commanded

Matt 28:19

Baptism not commanded

1 Cor 1:17,14

45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.

Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14

Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.

Deut 14:7,8

46. Taking of oaths sanctioned

Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13

Taking of oaths forbidden

Matt 5:34

47. Marriage approved

Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4

Marriage disapproved

1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8

48. Freedom of divorce permitted

Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14

Divorce restricted

Matt 5:32

49. Adultery forbidden

Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4

Adultery allowed

Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3

50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced

Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17

Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union

Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16

51. A man may marry his brother's widow

Deut 25:5

A man may not marry his brother's widow

Lev 20:21

52. Hatred to kindred enjoined

Luke 14:26

Hatred to kindred condemned

Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

53. Intoxicating beverages recommended

Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15

Intoxicating beverages discountenanced

Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers

and punish evil doers only

Rom 13:1-3,6

It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the

good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor

Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/

Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

55. Women's rights denied

Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6

Women's rights affirmed

Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

56. Obedience to masters enjoined

Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18

Obedience due to God only

Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

57. There is an unpardonable sin

Mark 3:29

There is not unpardonable sin

Acts 13:39



Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals

Gen 1:25,26,27

Man was created before the other animals

Gen 2:18,19

59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease

Gen 8:22

Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years

Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6

60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart

Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12

Pharaoh hardened his own heart

Ex 8:15

61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died

Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9

All the horses of Egypt did not die

Ex 14:9

62. Moses feared Pharaoh

Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19

Moses did not fear Pharaoh

Heb 11:27

63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand

Num 25:9

There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand

1 Cor 10:8

64. John the Baptist was Elias

Matt 11:14

John the Baptist was not Elias

John 1:21

65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob

Matt 1:16

The father of Mary's husband was Heli

Luke 3:23

66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad

Gen 11:12

The father of Salah was Cainan

Luke 3:35,36

67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David

Matt 1:17

There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David

Matt 1:2-6

68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity

to Christ.

Matt 1:17

There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian

captivity to Christ

Matt 1:12-16

69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt

Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23

The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt

Luke 2:22, 39

70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness

Mark 1:12,13

Christ was not tempted in the wilderness

John 2:1,2

71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount

Matt 5:1,2

Christ preached his first sermon on the plain

Luke 6:17,20

72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee

Mark 1:14

John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee

John 1:43/ John 3:22-24

73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff

and sandals

Mark 6:8,9

Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither

staffs nor sandals.

Matt 10:9,10

74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus

Matt 15:22

It was a Greek woman who besought Him

Mark 7:26

75. Two blind men besought Jesus

Matt 20:30

Only one blind man besought Him

Luke 18:35,38

76. Christ was crucified at the third hour

Mark 15:25

Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour

John 19:14,15

77. The two thieves reviled Christ.

Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32

Only one of the thieves reviled Christ

Luke 23:39,40

78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper

John 13:27

Satan entered into him before the supper

Luke 22:3,4,7

79. Judas committed suicide by hanging

Matt 27:5

Judas did not hang himself, but died another way

Acts 1:18

80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas

Acts 1:18

The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests

Matt 27:6,7

81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre

John 20:1

There were two women who came to the sepulchre

Matt 28:1

82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre

Mark 16:1

There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre

Luke 24:10

83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre

Mark 16:2

It was some time before sunrise when they came.

John 20:1

84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and

they were standing up.

Luke 24:4

There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.

Matt 28:2,5

85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.

John 20:11,12

There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre

Mark 16:5

86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave

Matt 12:40

Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave

Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>

87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost

Acts 1:8,5

Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost

John 20:22

88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the

resurrection to go into Galilee

Matt 28:10

The disciples were commanded immediately after the

resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem

Luke 24:49

89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at

Jerusalem

Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19

Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee

Matt 28:16,17

90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet

Acts 1:9,12

Christ ascended from Bethany

Luke 24:50,51

91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood

speechless

Acts 9:7

Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate

Acts 26:14

92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan

Gen 12:5

Abraham went not knowing where

Heb 11:8

93. Abraham had two sons

Gal 4:22

Abraham had but one son

Heb 11:17

94. Keturah was Abraham's wife

Gen 25:1

Keturah was Abraham's concubine

1 Chron 1:32

95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the

interposition of Providence

Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12

Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years

old without any interposition of providence

Gen 25:1,2

96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor

Josh 24:32

Abraham bought it of Hamor

Acts 7:16

97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed

forever

Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8

Abraham and his seed never received the promised land

Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13

98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan

2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be

correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>

The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan

1 Chron 20:5

99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram

2 Kings 8:25

Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram

2 Kings 9:29

100. Michal had no child

2 Sam 6:23

Michal had five children

2 Sam 21:8

101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel

2 Sam 24:1

David was tempted by Satan to number the people

1 Chron 21:1

102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of

Judah 500,000

2 Sam 24:9

The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of

Judah 470,000

1 Chron 21:5

103. David sinned in numbering the people

2 Sam 24:10

David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah

1 Kings 15:5

104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of

famine.

2 Sam 24:13

It was not seven years, but three years of famine

1 Chron 21:11,12

105. David took seven hundred horsemen

2 Sam 8:4

David took seven thousand horsemen

1 Chron 18:4

106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver

2 Sam 24:24

David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of

gold

1 Chron 21:25

107. David's throne was to endure forever.

Ps 89:35-37

David's throne was cast down

Ps 89:44



Speculative Doctrines

108. Christ is equal with God

John 10:30/ Phil 2:5

Christ is not equal with God

John 14:28/ Matt 24:36

109. Jesus was all-powerful

Matt 28:18/ John 3:35

Jesus was not all-powerful

Mark 6:5

110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation

Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6

The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation

Matt 5:17-19

111. Christ's mission was peace

Luke 2:13,14

Christ's mission was not peace

Matt 10:34

112. Christ received not testimony from man

John 5:33,34

Christ did receive testimony from man

John 15:27

113. Christ's witness of himself is true.

John 8:18,14

Christ's witness of himself is not true.

John 5:31

114. Christ laid down his life for his friends

John 15:13/ John 10:11

Christ laid down his life for his enemies

Rom 5:10

115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death

John 19:7

It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death

John 18:31

116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents

Ex 20:5

Children are not punished for the sins of the parents

Ezek 18:20

117. Man is justified by faith alone

Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2

Man is not justified by faith alone

James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13

118. It is impossible to fall from grace

John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39

It is possible to fall from grace

Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21

119. No man is without sin

1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10

Christians are sinless

1 John 3: 9,6,8

120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead

1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16

There is to be no resurrection of the dead

Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14

121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world

Prov 11:31

Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world

Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10

122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind

Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20

Endless misery the portion of all mankind

Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2

123. The Earth is to be destroyed

2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11

The Earth is never to be destroyed

Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4

124. No evil shall happen to the godly

Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13

Evil does happen to the godly

Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7

125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly

Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/

Job 42:12

Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly

Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17

126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing

Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/

Prov 15:6

Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward

Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/

Luke 6:24

127. The Christian yoke is easy

Matt 11:28,29,30

The Christian yoke is not easy

John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8

128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness

Gal 5:22

The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury

Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11

129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked

Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20

Longevity denied to the wicked

Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17

130. Poverty a blessing

Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5

Riches a blessing

Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12

Neither poverty nor riches a blessing

Prov 30:8,9

131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment

Prov 3:13,17

Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow

Eccl 1:17,18

132. A good name is a blessing

Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1

A good name is a curse

Luke 6:26

133. Laughter commended

Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15

Laughter condemned

Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4

134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness

Prov 22:15

There is no remedy for foolishness

Prov 27:22

135. A fool should be answered according to his folly

Prov 26:5

A fool should not be answered according to his folly

Prov 26:4

136. Temptation to be desired

James 1:2

Temptation not to be desired

Matt 6:13

137. Prophecy is sure

2 Pet 1:19

Prophecy is not sure

Jer 18:7-10

138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years

Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10

Man's life is but seventy years

Ps 90:10

139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast

Gen 9:2

The fear of man is not upon the lion

Prov 30:30

140. Miracles a proof of divine mission

Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31

Miracles not a proof of divine mission

Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19

141. Moses was a very meek man

Num 12:3

Moses was a very cruel man

Num 31:15,17

142. Elijah went up to heaven

2 Kings 2:11

None but Christ ever ascended into heaven

John 3:13

143. All scripture is inspired

2 Tim 3:16

Some scripture is not inspired

1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17





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Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send

peace, but a sword.

- Matthew 10:34

... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

- Matthew 26:52





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For wrath killeth the foolish man...

- Job 5:2

... let not the sun go down on your wrath.

- Ephesians 4:26





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And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which

is in heaven.

- John 3:13

... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

- 2 Kings 2:11





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If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

- John 5:31

I am one that bear witness of myself...

- John 8:18

[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]





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A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children...

- Proverbs 13:22

Sell that ye have and give alms...

- Luke 12:33





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Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches

shall be in his house...

- Psalms 112:1-3

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than

for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

- Matthew 19:24





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I and my father are one.

- John 10:30

... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

- John 14:28

[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]





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Thou shalt not kill

- Exodus 20:13

Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his

side... and slay every man his brother...

- Exodus 32:27





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Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

- Exodus 20:8

The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot

away with: it is iniquity.

- Isaiah 3:22





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Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness

of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water.

- Leviticus 26:11

And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt

thou make them.

- Exodus 25:18





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For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works.

- Ephesians 2:8-9

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by

faith only.

- James 2:24





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God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,

that he should repent.

- Numbers 23:19

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his

people.

- Exodus 32:14





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... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall

hear his voice, and come forth...

- John 5:28-29

As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth

down to the grave shall come up no more.

- Job 7:9





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... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,

hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for

wound, stripe for stripe.

- Exodus 21:23-25

... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right

cheek, turn to him the other also.

- Matthew 5:39





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Honor thy father and mother.

- Exodus 20:12

If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and

wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own

life also, he cannot be my disciple.

- Luke 14:26





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Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...

- Matthew 6:19

In the house of the righteous is much treasure...

- Proverbs 15:6





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I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

- Genesis 32:30

No man hath seen God at any time.

- John 1:18





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The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.

- Ezekiel 18:20

... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of

the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth

generation.

- Exodus 20:5





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Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth

understanding.

- Proverbs 3:13

For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth

knowledge increaseth sorrow.

- Ecclesiastes 1:18





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The Lord is good to all.

- Psalm 145:6

I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.

- Isaiah 45:7





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Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.

- Matthew 5:22

[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.

- Matthew 23:17





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For all have sinned.

- Romans 3:23

There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect

and upright.

- Job 1:1





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Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.

- 2 Kings 8:26

Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.

- 2 Chronicles 22:2





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If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do

according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

- Numbers 30:2

But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by

earth.

- Matthew 5:34-35





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... the earth abideth forever.

- Ecclesiastes 1:4

... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and

the works that are therein shall be burned up.

- 2 Peter 3:10





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... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger

forever.

- Jeremiah 3:12

Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.

- Jeremiah 17:4





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... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.

- James 1:13

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt

Abraham.

- Genesis 22:1





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And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good.

- Genesis 1:31

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it

grieved him at his heart

- Genesis 6:6





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For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be

there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there

perpetually.

- II Corinthians 7:16

Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands.

- Acts 7:48





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[God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto.

- I Timothy 6:16

The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

- I Kings 8:12





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And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid.

- Genesis 3:9,10

Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape.

- John 5:37





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Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the

elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel... They saw

God, and did eat and drink.

- Exodus 24: 9-11

Whom no man hath seen nor can see.

- I Timothy 6:16





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With God all things are possible.

- Matthew 29:26

And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of

the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the

valley, because they had chariots of iron.

- Judges 1:19





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God is not the author of confusion.

- I Corinthians 24:33

Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good?

- Lamentations 3:38





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Those that seek me early shall find me.

- Proverbs 8:17

Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall

seek me early, but shall not find me.

- Proverbs 1:28





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On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of

atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall

afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the

Lord.

- Leviticus 23:27

For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day

that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt

offering or sacrifices.

- Jeremiah 7:22





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And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt

sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the

Lord.

- Leviticus 1:9

Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet

unto me.

- Jeremiah 7:20





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God is not a man, that he should lie

- Numbers 23:19

And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the

Lord have deceived that prophet.

- Ezekiel 24:9





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There is none other God but one.

- I Corinthians 8:4

And God said, Let us make man in our image.

- Genesis 1:26





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When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow

of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels

of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them

on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the

Egyptians.

- Exodus 3:21,22

Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him.

- Leviticus 19:13





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At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of

man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.

- Genesis 4:5,6

And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should

kill him.

- Genesis 4:15





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Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not,

neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the

field... shall he not much more clothe you? Therefore, take no

thought, saying what shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or

wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought

for the morrow.

- Matthew 6:28, 30-34

But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his

own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an

infidel.

- I Timothy 5:8





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Be ye angry and sin not.

- Ephesians 4:26

Be not hasty in they spirit to be angry; for anger resideth in

the bosom of fools.

- Ecclesiastes 7:9





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Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good

works.

- Matthew 5:16

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of

them.

- Matthew 6:1





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And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence

of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands

toward heaven...

- I Kings 7:22

When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for

they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners

of the streets, that they may be seen of men...

- Matthew 6:5





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And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a

Nazarite unto God from the womb.

- Judges 8:5

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long

hair, it is a shame unto him?

- I Corinthians 6:14





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Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

- Exodus 20:8

One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every

day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

- Romans 14:5





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For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and

all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the

Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

- Exodus 20:11

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and

that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty

hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God

commanded the to keep the Sabbath day.

- Deuteronomy 5:15





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There is nothing unclean of itself.

- Romans 14:14

Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud

or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the

hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the

hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you. And the swine,

because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is

unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch

their dead carcass.

- Deuteronomy 14:7,8





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Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his

father, or the daughter of his mother.

- Deuteronomy 27:22

And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my

father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my

wife.

- Genesis 20:11,12





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If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no

child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a

stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take

her to him to wife.

- Deuteronomy 25:5

If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing...

they shall be childless.

- Leviticus 20:21





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He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never

forgiveness.

- Mark 3:29

And by him that believe are justified from all things.

- Acts 13:39





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[John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come.

- Matthew 11:14

And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias?

And he saith, I am not.

- John 1:21





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Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,

preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.

- Mark 1:14

After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of

Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet

cast into prison.

- John 3:22-24





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And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.

- Mark 25:3-4

And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth

hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I

crucify your king?

- John 19:14-15





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They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall.

- Matthew 27:34

And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh.

- Mark 15:23

[Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.]





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And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing

a voice, but seeing no man.

- Acts 9:7

And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were

afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

- Acts 22:9





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Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free

woman.

- Galatians 4:22

By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only

begotten son.

- Hebrews 11:17





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Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day

of her death.

- II Samuel 6:23

The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.

- II Samuel 21:8





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And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he

moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel.

- II Samuel 24:1

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number

Israel.

- I Chronicles 21:1





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All power is given unto [Jesus] in heaven and in earth.

- Matthew 28:18

And [Jesus] could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his

hands on a few sick folk and healed them.

- Mark 6:5





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There shall no evil happen to the just.

- Proverbs 12:21

Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom

he receiveth.

- Hebrews 12:6

jsaxton14
2006-06-16, 13:26
If you pretend God is like a computer program, with a bunch of if-else statements, you can resolve 90% of those contradictions.

I'm not saying the Bible is without contradiction (I'm convinced there are several) but most of those you provided are easily resolved. I obviously don't have time to refute all of the above, but if you are unable to resolve any of the above using the if-else method, just post it and we can take a closer look at it.

Also, for the record, I am an atheist. I think Christianity/Judaism/Islam/anything else involving a "God" is ridiculous. However, if a theist asks you why you're an atheist, and you have nothing but a half-assed list of biblical contradictions you found online, you're going to get laughed at and make the rest of us atheists look stupid.

IanBoyd3
2006-06-16, 16:33
Intelligent people all know the bible has contradictions and can't be taken that seriously. Intelligent people at this point also accept the overwhelming proof for evolution, as well as the overwhelming proof outside of evolution which shows the world is very old and was not created 6000 years ago, or 12000, creationists can't decide but they will tell you with absolute certainty that they are each right 100%.

That list doesn't really help, because anyone who is rational and intelligent knows this already and anyone who is irrational enough to continue to deny contradictions and even when the world was created, will simply continue closing their eyes and ignoring it.

The next generation will basically end creationism (I hope) and maybe we can move on from all the dogma bullshit. It's ridiculous, I'm getting tired of putting up with it so I can't begin to imagine how the scientific community must feel.

jsaxton14
2006-06-16, 18:23
I know many intelligent atheists who can't provide me with an example of a biblical contradiction when asked to do so.

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

That list doesn't really help, because anyone who is rational and intelligent knows this already and anyone who is irrational enough to continue to deny contradictions and even when the world was created, will simply continue closing their eyes and ignoring it.

As much as I agree with your position, I absolutely detest the "everyone knows X, so you'd be an idiot if you failed to accept X" argument. e.g: How do we know God exists? Everyone knows God exists!

ArmsMerchant
2006-06-16, 18:40
The short version of the first post--the Bible is essentially myth and metaphor--don't take it seriously.

Tier
2006-06-16, 21:22
quote:Originally posted by MilkAndInnards:

If the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions?

Taken from EvilBible.com

Theological doctrines:

+1

Communist Turtle
2006-06-16, 21:33
Not endorsing the concept of God or any of that, and I read a few lines at the beginning, but one thing that is most likely a pattern in many of those is something as in the Peaceful God of War. Islam has a good reference to that and they create such contradictions to show what the paradox of God is and how he can't be so easily spoken of (think Koans from Zen). "A God so mericiful, I shall proudly await his salvation when I have lived a life of pure sin, yet a God so wrathful, I fear his coming anger for my most basic impurities" and shit like that.

Aft3r ImaGe
2006-06-17, 00:11
quote:Originally posted by MilkAndInnards:

If the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions?

Taken from EvilBible.com



Your exremely long list of contradictions is not nearly long enough to convince people of faith. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

It's ok, your new, alot of people (myself included) try, and try again, to use logic to persuade religous people to rethink what they are blindly following, but if they didn't ignore logic they wouldn't have the belief in the first place.

I Ride The Yellow Bus
2006-06-17, 00:52
Whoa this guy can copy & paste http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Living Corpse
2006-06-17, 01:18
Hahaha lol.

Before you start looking at the "contradictions" of the Bible. You must first read what the heck is being talked about.

Up the top of your copy and paste post, it said "God was satisifed" then it said "He was dissatisfied".. Well I bet you didnt bother to get off your but, go and get a Bible, and read those chapters. And see what has been said. Those were from two totally different topics all together. You didnt know that. Why? because you didnt even bother to have a look at the chapters for yourself. You just took some crap off the net from some n00b who has no clue, and said "ahh this must be true, if its on the net" (in a lot of cases is true, lol).

Just some pointers for you before you start bagging Christianity.

bellbottoms_and_gin
2006-06-17, 02:05
Looking for bible contradictions is like shooting fish in a barrel

jsaxton14
2006-06-17, 02:18
quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

Up the top of your copy and paste post, it said "God was satisifed" then it said "He was dissatisfied".. Well I bet you didnt bother to get off your but, go and get a Bible, and read those chapters. And see what has been said. Those were from two totally different topics all together. You didnt know that. Why? because you didnt even bother to have a look at the chapters for yourself. You just took some crap off the net from some n00b who has no clue, and said "ahh this must be true, if its on the net"

I bet he didn't even bother to read what he copied and pasted. He, like most people in this thread, are simply taking it on faith that these verses are actually contradictory without looking at the context.

I'm beginning to realize that most atheists are just as stupid, if not stupider, than most christians (despite the fact that I am an atheist).

IanBoyd3
2006-06-17, 17:54
quote:Originally posted by jsaxton14:

I know many intelligent atheists who can't provide me with an example of a biblical contradiction when asked to do so.

As much as I agree with your position, I absolutely detest the "everyone knows X, so you'd be an idiot if you failed to accept X" argument. e.g: How do we know God exists? Everyone knows God exists!

I didn't say it's because everyone knows that. I only said that rational people accept that the bible is not 100% literally error free, and that is because it is logically impossible for it to be so- the bible makes statements that cannot both be true.

Even in the literal 6 day creation story, one version says man was created before animals and the other says he was created after. These cannot both be logically true, and by definition you are irrational if you accept what cannot be logically true to be true.

Yes, I agree with you that the argument "everyone knows that so it's true" is a bad one but that's not the argument I was making.

I was simply saying that the people who accept creation literally and believe the bible to be 100% accurate and error free in every way are irrational by logic and by definition, and that this list of contradictions isn't going to change their minds.

---Beany---
2006-06-17, 18:06
The Bible is still full of useful wisdom for those wanted to speed up their spriritual evolution.

Aft3r ImaGe
2006-06-17, 20:55
Look I can take things out of context too!

quote:Originally posted by MilkAndInnards:

the Bible was divinely inspired

Taken from EvilBible



As we all can see MilkAndInnards contradicted himself, how can he say the bible is divinly inspired if it is evil? This makes no sence. He must be unintellegent to contradict himself like that.

Adrenochrome
2006-06-17, 21:04
Those contradictions are stupid. Besides, you cannot prove Christianity is the correct religion, just like you cannot prove any of the other religions are correct, it all relied on faith. Being Christian runs the same risk of eternal damnation as being Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or a worshipper of Rah. It’s pointless to believe in any of them. And, there may or may not be a god, but we’d know nothing about it, we’d not even know if it existed or not, so there’s no point in believing in one.

It’s simply pointless to be a believer. We don’t need religion for morals, and you can believe in an afterlife without religion, so it is pointless.

Drsimmons
2006-06-18, 03:22
Did anyone actually get out a Bible and look up the context?? Did't think so.



Also the Bible is not a history book. It is a spiritual guide.

Living Corpse
2006-06-18, 07:51
Go Drsimmons

Hey.. well look, we shall see what you athiests have got to say on the day of judgment. You and your internet and beleiving what crap some n00b posts on the net won't help you that day, Im sorry it just wont help.

Adrenochrome
2006-06-18, 07:54
quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

Hey.. well look, we shall see what you athiests have got to say on the day of judgment.

Ooh, I’m shaking. You realise, right, that you’re running the same risk as us atheists? You’re fucked if it turns out another religion is true, and if one of the religions is true, that is a great possibility, since there are thousands of religions.

You’re running the same risk factor as us atheists, so got off your high horse and stop preaching about judgement day.

Political Prisoner
2006-06-20, 01:13
the bible isnt very good at being translated into english...

Rust
2006-06-20, 01:49
quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

The Bible is still full of useful wisdom for those wanted to speed up their spriritual evolution.



You're right. After you ignore the genocide, infanticide, the murders and the wars, you'll get to that very useful wisdom... which can be attained from other sources that predate Christianity and without being riddled with tales of disgusting acts while you read.

Ravendust
2006-06-20, 09:48
quote:Originally posted by MilkAndInnards:

If the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions?

Taken from EvilBible.com

Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works

Gen 1:31

God is dissatisfied with his works.

Gen 6:6

2. God dwells in chosen temples

2 Chron 7:12,16

God dwells not in temples

Acts 7:48

3. God dwells in light

Tim 6:16

God dwells in darkness

1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

4. God is seen and heard

Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/

Ex 24:9-11

God is invisible and cannot be heard

John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

5. God is tired and rests

Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6

God is never tired and never rests

Is 40:28

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things

Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21

God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all

things

Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

7. God knows the hearts of men

Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3

God tries men to find out what is in their heart

Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

8. God is all powerful

Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

God is not all powerful

Judg 1:19

9. God is unchangeable

James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19

God is changeable

Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/

Ex 33:1,3,17,14

10. God is just and impartial

Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

God is unjust and partial

Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

11. God is the author of evil

Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

God is not the author of evil

1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

12. God gives freely to those who ask

James 1:5/ Luke 11:10

God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving

them

John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

13. God is to be found by those who seek him

Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17

God is not to be found by those who seek him

Prov 1:28

14. God is warlike

Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15

God is peaceful

Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious

Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19

God is kind, merciful, and good

James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long

Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4

God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute

Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,

sacrifices ,and holy days

Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9

God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,

sacrifices, and holy days.

Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

18. God accepts human sacrifices

2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39

God forbids human sacrifice

Deut 12:30,31

19. God tempts men

Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13

God tempts no man

James 1:13

20. God cannot lie

Heb 6:18

God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive

2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him

Gen 6:5,7

Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him

Gen 8:21

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.

Rom 1:20

God's attributes cannot be discovered

Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

23. There is but one God

Deut 6:4

There is a plurality of gods

Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7



Moral Precepts

24. Robbery commanded

Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36

Robbery forbidden

Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

25. Lying approved and sanctioned

Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22

Lying forbidden

Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned

2 Kings 14:7,3

Hatred to the Edomite forbidden

Deut 23:7

27. Killing commanded

Ex 32:27

Killing forbidden

Ex 20:13

28. The blood-shedder must die

Gen 9:5,6

The blood-shedder must not die

Gen 4:15

29. The making of images forbidden

Ex 20:4

The making of images commanded

Ex 25:18,20

30. Slavery and oppression ordained

Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8

Slavery and oppression forbidden

Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10

31. Improvidence enjoyed

Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3

Improvidence condemned

1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22

32. Anger approved

Eph 4:26

Anger disapproved

Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20

33. Good works to be seen of men

Matt 5:16

Good works not to be seen of men

Matt 6:1

34. Judging of others forbidden

Matt 7:1,2

Judging of others approved

1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12

35. Christ taught non-resistance

Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52

Christ taught and practiced physical resistance

Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed

Luke 12:4

Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed

John 7:1

37. Public prayer sanctioned

1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3

Public prayer disapproved

Matt 6:5,6

38. Importunity in prayer commended

Luke 18:5,7

Importunity in prayer condemned

Matt 6:7,8

39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned

Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5

The wearing of long hair by men condemned

1 Cor 11:14

40. Circumcision instituted

Gen 17:10

Circumcision condemned

Gal 5:2

41. The Sabbath instituted

Ex 20:8

The Sabbath repudiated

Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16

42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day

Ex 20:11

The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites

out of Egypt

Deut 5:15

43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death

Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36

Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in

the same

John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5

44. Baptism commanded

Matt 28:19

Baptism not commanded

1 Cor 1:17,14

45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.

Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14

Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.

Deut 14:7,8

46. Taking of oaths sanctioned

Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13

Taking of oaths forbidden

Matt 5:34

47. Marriage approved

Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4

Marriage disapproved

1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8

48. Freedom of divorce permitted

Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14

Divorce restricted

Matt 5:32

49. Adultery forbidden

Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4

Adultery allowed

Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3

50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced

Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17

Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union

Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16

51. A man may marry his brother's widow

Deut 25:5

A man may not marry his brother's widow

Lev 20:21

52. Hatred to kindred enjoined

Luke 14:26

Hatred to kindred condemned

Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

53. Intoxicating beverages recommended

Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15

Intoxicating beverages discountenanced

Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers

and punish evil doers only

Rom 13:1-3,6

It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the

good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor

Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/

Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

55. Women's rights denied

Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6

Women's rights affirmed

Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

56. Obedience to masters enjoined

Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18

Obedience due to God only

Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

57. There is an unpardonable sin

Mark 3:29

There is not unpardonable sin

Acts 13:39



Historical Facts

58. Man was created after the other animals

Gen 1:25,26,27

Man was created before the other animals

Gen 2:18,19

59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease

Gen 8:22

Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years

Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6

60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart

Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12

Pharaoh hardened his own heart

Ex 8:15

61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died

Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9

All the horses of Egypt did not die

Ex 14:9

62. Moses feared Pharaoh

Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19

Moses did not fear Pharaoh

Heb 11:27

63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand

Num 25:9

There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand

1 Cor 10:8

64. John the Baptist was Elias

Matt 11:14

John the Baptist was not Elias

John 1:21

65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob

Matt 1:16

The father of Mary's husband was Heli

Luke 3:23

66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad

Gen 11:12

The father of Salah was Cainan

Luke 3:35,36

67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David

Matt 1:17

There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David

Matt 1:2-6

68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity

to Christ.

Matt 1:17

There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian

captivity to Christ

Matt 1:12-16

69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt

Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23

The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt

Luke 2:22, 39

70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness

Mark 1:12,13

Christ was not tempted in the wilderness

John 2:1,2

71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount

Matt 5:1,2

Christ preached his first sermon on the plain

Luke 6:17,20

72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee

Mark 1:14

John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee

John 1:43/ John 3:22-24

73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff

and sandals

Mark 6:8,9

Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither

staffs nor sandals.

Matt 10:9,10

74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus

Matt 15:22

It was a Greek woman who besought Him

Mark 7:26

75. Two blind men besought Jesus

Matt 20:30

Only one blind man besought Him

Luke 18:35,38

76. Christ was crucified at the third hour

Mark 15:25

Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour

John 19:14,15

77. The two thieves reviled Christ.

Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32

Only one of the thieves reviled Christ

Luke 23:39,40

78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper

John 13:27

Satan entered into him before the supper

Luke 22:3,4,7

79. Judas committed suicide by hanging

Matt 27:5

Judas did not hang himself, but died another way

Acts 1:18

80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas

Acts 1:18

The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests

Matt 27:6,7

81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre

John 20:1

There were two women who came to the sepulchre

Matt 28:1

82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre

Mark 16:1

There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre

Luke 24:10

83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre

Mark 16:2

It was some time before sunrise when they came.

John 20:1

84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and

they were standing up.

Luke 24:4

There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.

Matt 28:2,5

85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.

John 20:11,12

There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre

Mark 16:5

86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave

Matt 12:40

Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave

Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>

87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost

Acts 1:8,5

Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost

John 20:22

88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the

resurrection to go into Galilee

Matt 28:10

The disciples were commanded immediately after the

resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem

Luke 24:49

89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at

Jerusalem

Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19

Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee

Matt 28:16,17

90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet

Acts 1:9,12

Christ ascended from Bethany

Luke 24:50,51

91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood

speechless

Acts 9:7

Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate

Acts 26:14

92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan

Gen 12:5

Abraham went not knowing where

Heb 11:8

93. Abraham had two sons

Gal 4:22

Abraham had but one son

Heb 11:17

94. Keturah was Abraham's wife

Gen 25:1

Keturah was Abraham's concubine

1 Chron 1:32

95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the

interposition of Providence

Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12

Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years

old without any interposition of providence

Gen 25:1,2

96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor

Josh 24:32

Abraham bought it of Hamor

Acts 7:16

97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed

forever

Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8

Abraham and his seed never received the promised land

Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13

98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan

2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be

correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>

The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan

1 Chron 20:5

99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram

2 Kings 8:25

Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram

2 Kings 9:29

100. Michal had no child

2 Sam 6:23

Michal had five children

2 Sam 21:8

101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel

2 Sam 24:1

David was tempted by Satan to number the people

1 Chron 21:1

102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of

Judah 500,000

2 Sam 24:9

The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of

Judah 470,000

1 Chron 21:5

103. David sinned in numbering the people

2 Sam 24:10

David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah

1 Kings 15:5

104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of

famine.

2 Sam 24:13

It was not seven years, but three years of famine

1 Chron 21:11,12

105. David took seven hundred horsemen

2 Sam 8:4

David took seven thousand horsemen

1 Chron 18:4

106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver

2 Sam 24:24

David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of

gold

1 Chron 21:25

107. David's throne was to endure forever.

Ps 89:35-37

David's throne was cast down

Ps 89:44



Speculative Doctrines

108. Christ is equal with God

John 10:30/ Phil 2:5

Christ is not equal with God

John 14:28/ Matt 24:36

109. Jesus was all-powerful

Matt 28:18/ John 3:35

Jesus was not all-powerful

Mark 6:5

110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation

Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6

The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation

Matt 5:17-19

111. Christ's mission was peace

Luke 2:13,14

Christ's mission was not peace

Matt 10:34

112. Christ received not testimony from man

John 5:33,34

Christ did receive testimony from man

John 15:27

113. Christ's witness of himself is true.

John 8:18,14

Christ's witness of himself is not true.

John 5:31

114. Christ laid down his life for his friends

John 15:13/ John 10:11

Christ laid down his life for his enemies

Rom 5:10

115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death

John 19:7

It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death

John 18:31

116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents

Ex 20:5

Children are not punished for the sins of the parents

Ezek 18:20

117. Man is justified by faith alone

Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2

Man is not justified by faith alone

James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13

118. It is impossible to fall from grace

John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39

It is possible to fall from grace

Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21

119. No man is without sin

1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10

Christians are sinless

1 John 3: 9,6,8

120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead

1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16

There is to be no resurrection of the dead

Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14

121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world

Prov 11:31

Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world

Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10

122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind

Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20

Endless misery the portion of all mankind

Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2

123. The Earth is to be destroyed

2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11

The Earth is never to be destroyed

Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4

124. No evil shall happen to the godly

Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13

Evil does happen to the godly

Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7

125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly

Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/

Job 42:12

Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly

Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17

126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing

Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/

Prov 15:6

Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward

Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/

Luke 6:24

127. The Christian yoke is easy

Matt 11:28,29,30

The Christian yoke is not easy

John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8

128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness

Gal 5:22

The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury

Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11

129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked

Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20

Longevity denied to the wicked

Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17

130. Poverty a blessing

Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5

Riches a blessing

Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12

Neither poverty nor riches a blessing

Prov 30:8,9

131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment

Prov 3:13,17

Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow

Eccl 1:17,18

132. A good name is a blessing

Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1

A good name is a curse

Luke 6:26

133. Laughter commended

Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15

Laughter condemned

Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4

134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness

Prov 22:15

There is no remedy for foolishness

Prov 27:22

135. A fool should be answered according to his folly

Prov 26:5

A fool should not be answered according to his folly

Prov 26:4

136. Temptation to be desired

James 1:2

Temptation not to be desired

Matt 6:13

137. Prophecy is sure

2 Pet 1:19

Prophecy is not sure

Jer 18:7-10

138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years

Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10

Man's life is but seventy years

Ps 90:10

139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast

Gen 9:2

The fear of man is not upon the lion

Prov 30:30

140. Miracles a proof of divine mission

Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31

Miracles not a proof of divine mission

Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19

141. Moses was a very meek man

Num 12:3

Moses was a very cruel man

Num 31:15,17

142. Elijah went up to heaven

2 Kings 2:11

None but Christ ever ascended into heaven

John 3:13

143. All scripture is inspired

2 Tim 3:16

Some scripture is not inspired

1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17





I didn't read this.

Aft3r ImaGe
2006-06-20, 15:33
quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

Go Drsimmons

Hey.. well look, we shall see what you athiests have got to say on the day of judgment. You and your internet and beleiving what crap some n00b posts on the net won't help you that day, Im sorry it just wont help.

I see no need to believe something because of cowardly threats such as this one.

You and your false bible prophets believing something someone said in a book just because they claim to have seen holy things.

Abrahim
2006-06-21, 13:06
quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

Go Drsimmons

Hey.. well look, we shall see what you athiests have got to say on the day of judgment. You and your internet and beleiving what crap some n00b posts on the net won't help you that day, Im sorry it just wont help.

Yeah what would suck more is that people who blasphemed and said God has a Son and is a Father and is 3 in one will end up burning in hell fire along with the athiests they so despised.

Encrypted Soldier
2006-06-21, 13:30
And what do these contradictions show?

Not that Christianity is unreal but it shows precisely the opposite... It gives meaning to Deus Invictus, the all powerful victorious God. Only He knows, sees, and understands all. He understands when something is good and when something is bad, it all depends on circumstance, His Will, and His Plan for the future and you and me.

He loves us but because of this love he can put us through trial by great pain and suffering so we acheive salvation in the afterlife.

EDIT: Discordianism at its finest.

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Adrenochrome
2006-06-21, 13:31
Salvation from god himself!

Adrenochrome
2006-06-21, 13:34
To elaborate: we’re sent to hell by god so we have to worship god to save ourselves from god. Either way god has fucked us over: be a slave or burn in hell.

That is if god is real of course.

Gorloche
2006-06-21, 15:07
quote:Originally posted by Adrenochrome:

To elaborate: we’re sent to hell by god so we have to worship god to save ourselves from god. Either way god has fucked us over: be a slave or burn in hell.

That is if god is real of course.

It'd be much easier to love without the gun against our heads.

I honestly can't believe that a benevolent god would use eternal damnation. I could definitely see temporary damnation to purify, but not eternal.

Encrypted Soldier
2006-06-21, 15:19
Yeah, that's God for you.

Nemisis
2006-06-21, 16:35
quote:Originally posted by Gorloche:

It'd be much easier to love without the gun against our heads.

I honestly can't believe that a benevolent god would use eternal damnation. I could definitely see temporary damnation to purify, but not eternal.

You should read this thread if your interested. http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/005536.html

Ethanael
2006-06-25, 18:18
1) That list is very reminiscent of Neurocam...

2) Who are you to try to out-logic a deity?

Truth is all
2006-06-25, 21:56
I have checked up on many of these texts and they have been taken out of context. I, like some others here would suggest reading the Bible yourself. For it is sacred to me, and since I do not find you doing this with other important religious or even secular writing it is offensive. Many things can be twisted into contradictions. Look at the Jim Jones cult, he got people to commit mass suicide yet I am 100% sure that is no where in the Bible. So if you take all of those things in context and come back with some decent apologetic value that holds some wieght I will be happy to explain anything you like to the best of my ability. Oh and Abrahim, what is it that you believe exactly? I have seen reality... though I still do not see how that is God. Have you ever heard of the Kalam Arguement?

Truth is all
2006-06-25, 22:07
There is no "gun" pointed at your heads. There is a gift given. You do not have to obey anything or do anything. It is a free gift. Yes, people are sinners and in need of this gift. But there is nothing you have to DO for it. God does not SEND people to hell. They choose it. There are two roads and for some reason people find hell amusing? There is no gun here. You can accept a wonderous gift meant to set you free. For "Christ set us free for freedoms sake, that we might no longer be a slave to sin." OR you can choose eternal death. God did not and does not make you sin and He does not make you go to hell. Men sin and deserve condemnation, but Christ died to save us. So pick your destiny or instead accept Christ and become a true individual. It is not like Christians are not changed. It has changed me so much. I now see that I was a slave to society, to friends, family, oppinions, looks, vanity, pride, envy. But now I am set free and can truly live for others. God is love and can set you free if you simply let him.

Adrenochrome
2006-06-25, 22:47
'There is no "gun" pointed at your heads.'

Hell is a pretty big fucking gun. "TAKE MY GIFT OR BURN."

Truth is all
2006-06-26, 02:51
Did you even read my post? Men have proved worthy of Hell, God wants different, hence the wanting to save us.

Adrenochrome
2006-06-26, 02:53
Yes, I read your post. Worthy of hell? Anyone is worthy of hell since it’s meant to be a cesspool. God is simply blackmailing us, we have a choice: hell or do as god tells you to without questioning him. He’s a cunt.



P.S, if you think you’re free, you are incredibly wrong. You are a slave to a lie.



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Rust
2006-06-26, 02:55
quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

There is no "gun" pointed at your heads. There is a gift given. You do not have to obey anything or do anything. It is a free gift. Yes, people are sinners and in need of this gift. But there is nothing you have to DO for it. God does not SEND people to hell. They choose it. There are two roads and for some reason people find hell amusing? There is no gun here. You can accept a wonderous gift meant to set you free. For "Christ set us free for freedoms sake, that we might no longer be a slave to sin." OR you can choose eternal death. God did not and does not make you sin and He does not make you go to hell. Men sin and deserve condemnation, but Christ died to save us. So pick your destiny or instead accept Christ and become a true individual. It is not like Christians are not changed. It has changed me so much. I now see that I was a slave to society, to friends, family, oppinions, looks, vanity, pride, envy. But now I am set free and can truly live for others. God is love and can set you free if you simply let him.

Sorry, but no amount of sugar-coating is going to change the fact that one is forced to either chose God, or suffer an eternity of suffering.

You're right about one thing though, there is no "gun" being pointed at our heads. That would be a humongous understatement. A gun doesn't even come close to describing what we would be destined to suffer needlessly if we do not believe in your illogical god.

Truth is all
2006-06-26, 03:26
Tell me again what is so horrid about the belief in Christ?

Rust
2006-06-26, 04:22
quote:Originally posted by Truth is all:

Tell me again what is so horrid about the belief in Christ?

Certainly, you can go to this link to see different takes on the issue. You'll also find mine:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/005516.html

If you don't feel like reading that then to put it succinctly: it is horrendous to praise and worship a god which needlessly allows suffering to exist.

Halycion
2006-06-26, 21:52
+1,000,000 points for the truth.

/added to favorites

I've really never thought about that they're this many contridictions in the bible, good thing I don't believe in the bible and all I guess, maybe why I don't care, but this has given me something to show my father if he comes bible thumping around me again

and as for a few posters who say man is worthy of hell, if my memory serves, god created hell for those who opposed him, ie. lucifer and his fellow angels that followed him. He made hell for anyone/thing that opposed him, so we are not worthy of hell, it's just a 50 cal tank barrel held to our heads

-H

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perfect chaos
2006-06-29, 16:00
although i do not belive in the bible or what it claims to say these are all as many people have said above taken out of context,

the thing i want to comment on is, well most of the coversation i see here is,

"Your wrong" "o yea well your gay"

so there is something i would like to point out, it is offten a tacktic of a lossing apponent in a debate not to try and prove you wrong but to attack you

Diesel
2006-06-29, 18:02
If he is god then I think he can do whatever the fuck he wants!

imperfectcircle
2006-06-29, 19:36
quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

Hey.. well look, we shall see what you athiests have got to say on the day of judgment. You and your internet and beleiving what crap some n00b posts on the net won't help you that day, Im sorry it just wont help.

God'll line all of us up according to our beliefs, I'll go into one group and you'll go into the other.

One will be people who adopted their beliefs because of love.

The other will be people who adopted their beliefs based on fear.

And reciting the words of narrow minded men - who had the arrogance to pass off their own words as the literal word of God - won't help YOU on that day.

Living Corpse
2006-06-30, 09:31
Sugar coated.. you gotta be kidding me? You either take it sugar coated, or the bare and brutal truth.. which one shall it be? Sugar or flesh?

I laughed when "Hell is a big f*****g gun.. good one lol.

You see the thing is, you can not have the best of both worlds. You can't do what ever the heck you like on this world, and expect to go to Heaven. But when/ if you repent for the sins, and actually mean it, live a Christian walk, good on you. But if you don't well. Im not gonna say anything, cause I got told to get off my high horse. I'm off it, and I'm shutting up. Good luck

imperfectcircle
2006-06-30, 10:55
quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

You see the thing is, you can not have the best of both worlds.

quote:Originally posted by logic:

Sure we can!

quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

You can't do what ever the heck you like on this world, and expect to go to Heaven.

quote:Originally posted by logic:

But according to your fundamentalist beliefs, we can still do whatever the heck we like on this world without being eternally condemned yet

quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

But when/ if you repent for the sins, and actually mean it

quote:Originally posted by logic:

And then we can do the above, according to your beliefs, after living a happy life laughing our assed off and having a great time, and go straight to heaven right with you

quote:Originally posted by Living Corpse:

live a Christian walk

quote:Originally posted by logic:

Sorry, your beliefs don't actually require this step.

Although our lives would probably be better living according to JESUS' teachings, it's still unneccesary.

He'll love us all the same, and so will god, as long as we follow our hearts.

To listen to our hearts, we have to look inward. Nothing outside us can to it for us, but people have made various belief systems to try and help us to do it.

They were all made by men, it's hard to know which ones will help more than others.

But it's easy to see which ones help the least by their lies - that you're anything less than divine, anything less than perfect, and your nature is anything other than good.

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