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HellzShellz

2006-02-18, 23:17

When the head, or brain, sends 'signals' to the arms, legs, mouth, fingers, or toes, it is carried out and completed. It is completed because the receptive end receives and obeys. Your finger doesn't move without your brain, first, sending the 'signal' or command to your finger. This is how our bodies were created to function. This is also how the Body of Christ was created to function.

When the brain [head] sends the signal to the body parts, or parts of the body, and it is carried out, incompleted, something kept or hindered the receptive end from receiving to complete what was send out, and not completed. This leaves the body in a paralyzed state. If you're paralyzed, your brain sends signals. Nothing is wrong with the brain. The error is with the body, because the body isn't receiving or obeying the command sent by the brain.

Such is the Body of Christ. Something seems to be keeping, or hindering, the Body of Christ from receiving the commands of Christ, the head of the body. Matthew 13:45 & 46 says the following.

Again, the Kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all he had, and bought it.

This scripture speaks of a single pearl, of great price, that is able to be attained if you're willing to pay the price to get it! What's keeping the body from receiving the signals? Could it be in a slumber? If so, I say wake up in the name of Jesus and prepare the way of the Lord!

We've allowed the world to seduce us into closet, carnal Christians.

In Romans 12:2 Paul says, " And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God."

In Romans 8:1-13 Paul states the following.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

We know that the Price of this World's system is Satan, our adversary. The ways of the World, is dictated by Satan, because Satan is the World's Father. However, we've received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry Abba; Father. We are New Creatures in Christ Jesus. Old things PASS AWAY, all things BECOME NEW. Our Father isn't Satan anymore, our Father is God. Therefore we're to imitate God, our Father, asDEAR CHILDREN! How are we suppose to reach the world, and show them OUR FATHER, when we're acting like their father is ours? How are we suppose to convince them of the FAITH we're assured in, if we're not living what we say we believe, and showing them, or PROVING what is that good, and acceptable will of God?

The Head commands the Body:

Joshua 23:6

Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;

Matthew 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matthew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Luke 6:36

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Luke 12:40

Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Ephesians 5:1

Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

1 Peter 4:7

But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

John 15:17

These things I command you, that ye love one another. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

These are COMMANDMENTS. Receive the command, and complete it.

John 15:14

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

1 Kings 11:38

And it shall be, if thou wilt hearken unto all that I command thee, and wilt walk in my ways, and do that is right in my sight, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as David my servant did; that I will be with thee, and build thee a sure house, as I built for David, and will give Israel unto thee.

[This message has been edited by HellzShellz (edited 02-18-2006).]

Deoz

2006-02-19, 00:13

Not to be a prick or an asshole, but what is your point.

the passenger

2006-02-19, 00:53

quote:Originally posted by Deoz:

Not to be a prick or an asshole, but what is your point.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif) The point is pricks like this, that blow jesus refuse to take responsibility for their own actions or the harm that they do, by "just being easily led sheeple"

I don't see any heads of state claiming to be satanists, so how the fuck can you really say it's satan???? http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

Clarphimous

2006-02-19, 01:05

It's an overly religiousy way of saying that the Christian community isn't following the precepts of Christianity, which is why Christianity is not as successful as it could be.

Clarphimous

2006-02-19, 01:37

Hey, have you guys ever wondered why Christian ladies like Digital_Savior and HellzShellz like to preach to us on Totse?

It's because they won't let them preach in church!

Hyuk, hyuk, hyuk!

HellzShellz

2006-02-19, 02:38

Um, do notice, I said it was for the Body of Christ, which is the CHURCH. I even said, "NOT FOR THE WORLD".

Not that I don't love you sinners, I do. However, it takes the Church getting in order, in order for them to show, by example to the WORLD, how mighty and awesome our God is.

chubbyman25

2006-02-19, 05:38

Fai1safe

2006-02-19, 05:48

WOW when did Jesus go internet? Does he have dial-up, cable or T1?

Digital_Savior

2006-02-19, 05:54

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Hey, have you guys ever wondered why Christian ladies like Digital_Savior and HellzShellz like to preach to us on Totse?

It's because they won't let them preach in church!

Hyuk, hyuk, hyuk!

There are many examples of women prophets and disciples in the New Testament...hell, there were a few in the OT as well.

We are not to LEAD congregations, but we are certainly allowed to witness.

I thought you were a bit more mature than this.

McLaren

2006-02-19, 06:01

Your post was ridiculously long and I couldn't read it, but I did find an error.

You said that the brain always commands the movement. This is not the case. Nerves can follow a reflex arc, in which a nervous impulse travels from the sensory neuron, to the spinal cord, to the motor neuron.

[This message has been edited by McLaren (edited 02-19-2006).]

Clarphimous

2006-02-19, 06:15

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

There are many examples of women prophets and disciples in the New Testament...hell, there were a few in the OT as well.

We are not to LEAD congregations, but we are certainly allowed to witness.

I thought you were a bit more mature than this.

The way HellzShellz talks reminds me of a preacher. And I was thinking that maybe she does this out of some sort of psychological need to get it out of her system, because she can't become a preacher in the Christian church. And then I tacked your name onto it, just to be more general about it.

I dunno, I just always thought that rule was stupid and sexist, at least within the context of our modern culture.

And my maturity... well, that varies by the atmospheric pressure, the moon phase, the alignment of the planets, etc. I always end up saying something retarded every now and then.

JesuitArtiste

2006-02-19, 12:55

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Um, do notice, I said it was for the Body of Christ, which is the CHURCH. I even said, "NOT FOR THE WORLD".

Not that I don't love you sinners, I do. However, it takes the Church getting in order, in order for them to show, by example to the WORLD, how mighty and awesome our God is.

Ahh... HellzShellz.... Once again you astound me....

Not that you don't love us sinners? Don't lie ,you seperate yourself from us ,you make distance so that in the eyes of your "god" you can't be dragged down. Who do doctors tend? The Cured or the Sick? Hmm.... I think ,traditionally at least, it is the Sick who need to be cured .... So ,tell me exactly what are you doing here? You do not preach to the world. are we beneath you mistress? Are we not worthy to hear your words ,are we not worthy of salvation. Are you higher in gods eyes than us?

Do NOT give us your bullshit about loving sinners ,because you do NOT. You make the words and the gestures ,you know how to talk. Yet do you try to save gods children? Not from I've seen. No, instead you condemn us ,You call us evil ,and sinners, you tell us of the destruction and pain we will face. You tell us that your god will not attempt to save us ,that outside of the body we are worthless. You are preaching to the wrong crowd prophet lady, you tell the Faithful to be good and follow order like sheep ,you discourouge thought.

You are a Fool. Why do you claim righteousness and yet deny us others, no subtle arguments ,no gentle sway ,you wield your "faith" like a cudgel striking around you... You are a fool and your faith is weak ,you are misguided and have strayed. God's power and majesty ,his words and commands are not revealed through His Book, god is with YOU and you can feel what he wants.

Can your scripture. Can your bullshit. Can this decrepit attempt at faith . You are Not cut out for it. You need to think about god more ....

You went looking for God and found Religion.... Remember what you went looking for? Is it god you want? or the security of religion? Make your choice ,you can only have one.

[This message has been edited by JesuitArtiste (edited 02-19-2006).]

HellzShellz

2006-02-19, 15:52

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

The way HellzShellz talks reminds me of a preacher. And I was thinking that maybe she does this out of some sort of psychological need to get it out of her system, because she can't become a preacher in the Christian church. And then I tacked your name onto it, just to be more general about it.

I dunno, I just always thought that rule was stupid and sexist, at least within the context of our modern culture.

And my maturity... well, that varies by the atmospheric pressure, the moon phase, the alignment of the planets, etc. I always end up saying something retarded every now and then.

I'm Word of Faith.

Let's check into this.

Hmm.. Who's Word of Faith, and a woman, that's a preacher?

Joyce Meyers! I must say, she's anointed, bless God.

Futhermore, my bible says the following..

Galations 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Joel 2:28

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Hmm, It seems to me that there is neither Male nor female, Jew nor gentile, in Christ, but rather we are ONE BODY in CHRIST. It also seems as if we're SONS and DAUGHTERS of God. I'm a Child of God, and a part of the Body of Christ by grave, through faith. For those that don't know, Grace is when you get what you don't deserve, and mercy is when you DON'T get what you DO deserve.

My bible also tells me, all you have to do is accept the message of faith to preach the message of faith, look at the life of Paul.

As for what you're talking about, and have no clue of, a woman is to properly represent herself, and respect her husband in submission. Guess what?! I'M NOT MARRIED TO A MAN! I am married to a spirit-being. His name, Jesus Christ. Want scripture for that too?

1 Corinthians 15:50

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption

Also the parable when the man asked Jesus, which brother would be the woman's wife in heaven.

I must depart, I have a meeting with God in 40 minutes. Love yall. Until next time.

JesuitArtiste

2006-02-19, 18:44

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Futhermore, my bible says the following..

I noticed this ... This stuck out .... You say YOUR bible ,rather than THE bible....

Does you bible have edits?

And plucking forth the swords of god like that does nothing if you cannot understand them ,if you do not understand them. I sense incredible self-interest.

hyroglyphx

2006-02-19, 18:53

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

I noticed this ... This stuck out .... You say YOUR bible ,rather than THE bible....

Does you bible have edits?

And plucking forth the swords of god like that does nothing if you cannot understand them ,if you do not understand them. I sense incredible self-interest.

Usually, saying 'my' denotes ownership, meaning, 'the Bible that she owns'...

Clarphimous

2006-02-19, 19:05

Actually, I was talking about Paul's dictate for women not to speak (and, as DS said, lead) in churches. It does not give exception to unmarried women, although it does assume that they are married. For what I know, this only applies to inside the church.

Although probably reasonable in the culture of their time, it doesn't make much as much sense today in Western society. I do know that most churches today do not follow many of Paul's guidelines. I just find it curious that they do not bother with many (perhaps explaining them away) while a certain few they focus on. I think the real answer here is that churches strongly prefer to follow tradition, and having a female pastor would be against these traditions. As you may have heard me say before, our own church has females do a children's sermon in front of the entire congregation each Sunday morning. Occasionally a male does it as well. But the point is, that it is traditionally O.K. for women to teach children, and so they allow it.

hyroglyphx

2006-02-19, 19:15

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Actually, I was talking about Paul's dictate for women not to speak (and, as DS said, lead) in churches. It does not give exception to unmarried women, although it does assume that they are married. For what I know, this only applies to inside the church.

Although probably reasonable in the culture of their time, it doesn't make much as much sense today in Western society. I do know that most churches today do not follow many of Paul's guidelines. I just find it curious that they do not bother with many (perhaps explaining them away) while a certain few they focus on. I think the real answer here is that churches strongly prefer to follow tradition, and having a female pastor would be against these traditions. As you may have heard me say before, our own church has females do a children's sermon in front of the entire congregation each Sunday morning. Occasionally a male does it as well. But the point is, that it is traditionally O.K. for women to teach children, and so they allow it.

There are alot of 'suggestions' that Paul gave that was not in any way, Law. For instance, alot of people in the Galatian church, I believe, were grumbling about head coverings. Paul said, 'judge for yourself what is right in this matter.' He's essentially saying, don't get all hung up on the non-essentials that direct your focus away from the essence of Jesus' teachings.

As far as women being silent in the church, that same rule should apply to all the congregants. It's irritating when people are talking behind you when you are trying to hear the message from the pastor. I've heard alot of different theories about it and it is a bit ambiguous as to its meaning. I guess we would have to have understood the culture of that particular church and that time period. In this case, you have to go through the rest of scripture to find to answer. The usual assertion is that Paul and Jesus must have been rude to women.... But read the gospels and the rest of the epistles and you'll clearly see that this wasn't the case.

JesuitArtiste

2006-02-19, 21:03

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

Usually, saying 'my' denotes ownership, meaning, 'the Bible that she owns'...

However do you often here people say "I was reading THE bible" OR "I was reading MY bible" .

There is a differance ,THE infers a more generic ownership. As if we can understand what she means because we recognise that ther is A bible. MY leads to a more personalised view and therefore less recognisable.

But my point still stands, Is this bible edited ,is it "standard issue" for lack of a better expression?

hyroglyphx

2006-02-19, 21:26

Fai1safe

2006-02-20, 07:41

Joyce Myers is an annoying bitch. i wouldnt even let her near my penis. She might start calling it god.

JesuitArtiste

2006-02-20, 19:42

quote:Originally posted by hyroglyphx:

I'm not sure I understand your main point if its not about the semantical usage of 'my Bible.'

Could you clarify, please?

HellzShellz

2006-03-03, 06:04

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

However do you often here people say "I was reading THE bible" OR "I was reading MY bible" .

There is a differance ,THE infers a more generic ownership. As if we can understand what she means because we recognise that ther is A bible. MY leads to a more personalised view and therefore less recognisable.

But my point still stands, Is this bible edited ,is it "standard issue" for lack of a better expression?

God gives me revelation. See, it is MY inspired Word of God . Why? Because I don't have [b]THE same relationship with GOD as other people do. ONE body, different functions. One God, and I aspire to know HIM, in the way HE reveals Himself to ME, not in the way He reveals Himself to others.

Neither is wrong. Why would you allow yourself to get into meaningless thinking? MY GOD, Vs. OUR GOD. He's MY God, as He is OUR God too.

ohhi

2006-03-03, 06:24

burymeag

2006-03-03, 10:31

TEXT 1

TEXT

suta uvaca

jagrhe paurusam rupam

bhagavan mahad-adibhih

sambhutam sodasa-kalam

adau loka-sisrksaya

SYNONYMS

sutah uvaca--Suta said; jagrhe--accepted; paurusam--plenary portion as the purusa incarnation; rupam--form; bhagavan--the Personality of Godhead; mahat-adibhih--with the ingredients of the material world; sambhutam--thus there was the creation of; sodasa-kalam--sixteen primary principles; adau--in the beginning; loka--the universes; sisrksaya--on the intention of creating.

TRANSLATION

Suta said: In the beginning of the creation, the Lord first expanded Himself in the universal form of the purusa incarnation and manifested all the ingredients for the material creation. And thus at first there was the creation of the sixteen principles of material action. This was for the purpose of creating the material universe.

PURPORT

The Bhagavad-gita states that the Personality of Godhead Sri Krsna maintains these material universes by extending His plenary expansions. So this purusa form is the confirmation of the same principle. The original Personality of Godhead Vasudeva, or Lord Krsna, who is famous as the son of King Vasudeva or King Nanda, is full with all opulences, all potencies, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation. Part of His opulences are manifested as impersonal Brahman, and part of His opulences are manifested as Paramatma. This purusa feature of the same Personality of Godhead Sri Krsna is the original Paramatma manifestation of the Lord. There are three purusa features in the material creation, and this form, who is known as the Karanodakasayi Visnu, is the first of the three. The others are known as the Garbhodakasayi Visnu and the Ksirodakasayi Visnu, which we shall know one after another. The innumerable universes are generated from the skin holes of this Karanodakasayi Visnu, and in each one of the universes the Lord enters as Garbhodakasayi Visnu.

In the Bhagavad-gita it is also mentioned that the material world is created at certain intervals and then again destroyed. This creation and destruction is done by the supreme will because of the conditioned souls, or the nitya-baddha living beings. The nitya-baddha, or the eternally conditioned souls, have the sense of individuality or ahankara, which dictates them sense enjoyment, which they are unable to have constitutionally. The Lord is the only enjoyer, and all others are enjoyed. The living beings are predominated enjoyers. But the eternally conditioned souls, forgetful of this constitutional position, have strong aspirations to enjoy. The chance to enjoy matter is given to the conditioned souls in the material world, and side by side they are given the chance to understand their real constitutional position. Those fortunate living entities who catch the truth and surrender unto the lotus feet of Vasudeva after many, many births in the material world join the eternally liberated souls and thus are allowed to enter into the kingdom of Godhead. After this, such fortunate living entities need not come again within the occasional material creation. But those who cannot catch the constitutional truth are again merged into the mahat-tattva at the time of the annihilation of the material creation. When the creation is again set up, this mahat-tattva is again let loose. This mahat-tattva contains all the ingredients of the material manifestations, including the conditioned souls. Primarily this mahat-tattva is divided into sixteen parts, namely the five gross material elements and the eleven working instruments or senses. It is like the cloud in the clear sky. In the spiritual sky, the effulgence of Brahman is spread all around, and the whole system is dazzling in spiritual light. The mahat-tattva is assembled in some corner of the vast, unlimited spiritual sky, and the part which is thus covered by the mahat-tattva is called the material sky. This part of the spiritual sky, called the mahat-tattva, is only an insignificant portion of the whole spiritual sky, and within this mahat-tattva there are innumerable universes. All these universes are collectively produced by the Karanodakasayi Visnu, called also the Maha-Visnu, who simply throws His glance to impregnate the material sky.

Snoopy

2006-03-03, 13:20

If you love my sins so much, you could give me some head.

JesuitArtiste

2006-03-04, 11:09

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

God gives me revelation. See, it is MY inspired Word of God . Why? Because I don't have [b]THE same relationship with GOD as other people do. ONE body, different functions. One God, and I aspire to know HIM, in the way HE reveals Himself to ME, not in the way He reveals Himself to others.

Neither is wrong. Why would you allow yourself to get into meaningless thinking? MY GOD, Vs. OUR GOD. He's MY God, as He is OUR God too.

So to clear this all up you are saying that you do not have a "standard" bible. The bible you read is not the bible that I read?

Very well ,god reveals himself to you by your "Word Of God" ,well god reveals himself to me in a differant way. And who are you to say I'm wrong? OUR god reveals himself to me in a differant way. Are you saying that God is wrong for revealing himself to me in a differant way? What about all the other people who god reveals himself to. The murderers. Rapists. Dictators. Are you saying god reveals himself to these people in this manner?

Lou Reed

2006-03-04, 12:56

Lou Reed

2006-03-04, 13:09

[QUOTE]Originally posted by HellzShellz:

When the head, or brain, sends 'signals' to the arms, legs, mouth, fingers, or toes, it is carried out and completed. It is completed because the receptive end receives and obeys. Your finger doesn't move without your brain, first, sending the 'signal' or command to your finger. This is how our bodies were created to function. This is also how the Body of Christ was created to function.

When the brain [head] sends the signal to the body parts, or parts of the body, and it is carried out, incompleted, something kept or hindered the receptive end from receiving to complete what was send out, and not completed. This leaves the body in a paralyzed state. If you're paralyzed, your brain sends signals. Nothing is wrong with the brain. The error is with the body, because the body isn't receiving or obeying the command sent by the brain.

Oh wow so your brain is a functional tool used through the central nervous system....great, but how can you follow that with a connection to THE BODY OF CHRIST....

you state:

In Romans 12:2 Paul says, " And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God."

In Romans 8:1-13 Paul states the following.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, [b]who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."

You should have left it at that!

[This message has been edited by Lou Reed (edited 03-04-2006).]

ohhi

2006-03-04, 19:06

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

So to clear this all up you are saying that you do not have a "standard" bible. The bible you read is not the bible that I read?

Very well ,god reveals himself to you by your "Word Of God" ,well god reveals himself to me in a differant way. And who are you to say I'm wrong? OUR god reveals himself to me in a differant way. Are you saying that God is wrong for revealing himself to me in a differant way? What about all the other people who god reveals himself to. The murderers. Rapists. Dictators. Are you saying god reveals himself to these people in this manner?

He reveals himself to them in their heads.

Hellenistic Riot

2006-03-04, 22:45

This thread offers no points for debate and therefore, I recommend a lock.

elfstone

2006-03-05, 00:27

quote:Originally posted by Hellenistic Riot:

This thread offers no points for debate and therefore, I recommend a lock.

And sticky if it was possible. An excellent demonstration of what brainwashing does to people.

kenwih

2006-03-05, 03:10

blah blah blah...

who gives a fuck?

Fai1safe

2006-03-06, 07:31

quote:Originally posted by Fai1safe:

Joyce Myers is an annoying bitch. i wouldnt even let her near my penis. She might start calling it god.

I forgot i said that... i crack myself up lol.

HellzShellz

2006-03-08, 03:46

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

Ahh... HellzShellz.... Once again you astound me....

Not that you don't love us sinners? Don't lie ,you seperate yourself from us ,you make distance so that in the eyes of your "god" you can't be dragged down. Who do doctors tend? The Cured or the Sick? Hmm.... I think ,traditionally at least, it is the Sick who need to be cured .... So ,tell me exactly what are you doing here? You do not preach to the world. are we beneath you mistress? Are we not worthy to hear your words ,are we not worthy of salvation. Are you higher in gods eyes than us?

Do NOT give us your bullshit about loving sinners ,because you do NOT. You make the words and the gestures ,you know how to talk. Yet do you try to save gods children? Not from I've seen. No, instead you condemn us ,You call us evil ,and sinners, you tell us of the destruction and pain we will face. You tell us that your god will not attempt to save us ,that outside of the body we are worthless. You are preaching to the wrong crowd prophet lady, you tell the Faithful to be good and follow order like sheep ,you discourouge thought.

You are a Fool. Why do you claim righteousness and yet deny us others, no subtle arguments ,no gentle sway ,you wield your "faith" like a cudgel striking around you... You are a fool and your faith is weak ,you are misguided and have strayed. God's power and majesty ,his words and commands are not revealed through His Book, god is with YOU and you can feel what he wants.

Can your scripture. Can your bullshit. Can this decrepit attempt at faith . You are Not cut out for it. You need to think about god more ....

You went looking for God and found Religion.... Remember what you went looking for? Is it god you want? or the security of religion? Make your choice ,you can only have one.

Bless you, I do love you.

Do I separate myself from you? Absolutley not, Christ does. AND, I don't discourage thought, God does. He tells us to becareful about the measure of thought we give things. Why? Because that's what you're going to get out of it. Bill Winston said, "Your conscience is designed to keep you in line with what you believe." Think on that! Paul said, "Whatever things are GOOD, whatever things are JUST, PURE, etc. Think on THESE THINGS! God gives us free will, the ability to choose. Choose between what? The world, the lifestyle of corruption and death, vs. the HIGH WAY, God's way. We say, "Not my will by THY Will." But God says, "When My will thy will." See, The Kingdom of God is set up to where, God allows whatever you allow. HAVE You ever broke down the Lord's Prayer?

"Our Father who Art in Heaven, Holy be Thy name, Thy KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN."

On earth as it is in heaven, on earth as it is in heaven. ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

That's GOD'S WILL!! Hallelujah! Earth is to be a reflection of Heaven.. but GOD ALLOWS WHAT YOU ALLOW.

This too.. Jesus said, "If you bind it on earth, I'll bind it in heaven, if you loose it on earth, I'll loose it in heaven." What is He saying? He's saying, if You allow it, I'll allow it, if you don't allow it, I WON'T ALLOW IT!!!!!

Hallelujah, you know, That just puts me over, right there.

JesuitArtiste, You really don't know me, because you don't know who lives in me. I suppose it's easy to get angry at a christian for them telling you they love you, or they care for you, when you haven't seen them live the lifestyle they profess, but I'm not RELIGIOUS, I'm a Child of God, and I constantly try to humble myself and be more like Christ, FOR YOUR SAKES. I want yall to see THE REAL DEAL. That REAL Christians don't participate in the WORLD'S activities. Why?

Hear me.. for a second, even if you render it meaningless.

When I was a week from 13 I began to smoke pot, because of 'peer pressure'. My cousins, and brothers were doing it, I thought I might miss something. Do you know what happened? I opened a door up, the door to my mind to enable it to be deceived. I became a very depressed stoner over the short 4 years of smoking pot. I stayed locked in my head, I thought I knew everything and no one could tell me NOTHING. Christians? I got offended at God when I put myself in a compromising position and didn't like the outcome. Truth, I didn't KNOW God enough to be able to realize that there are HEAVENLY influences AND dark principalities and principals.

I would sow seeds of doubt in christians hearts. I figured the best way to hurt God, like I was hurt was to act like he didn't exist, to do everything I knew He wouldn't want me to do. I was fooling myself, rather I was buying the lies of the enemy.

14, 15, I began to eat and throw up, or I would just go without eating, until someone around me began to question me. Then I would eat in front of them, go and 'take a shower' so they wouldn't hear me throwing it up. I did loose a lot of weight doing that too, but I gave into bull CRAP in the process. Bull crap? THE SECULAR SOCIETY is what I call bull crap, the ways of the world is what I call bull crap. At this time I was also cutting myself. I wanted to DIE, I had NO HOPE, nothing to live for.. I wasn't AFRAID of death.. I wanted it. I thought I did at least, So I would listen to junk like, "If you weren't here your whole family would get along, and things would be so much better. No one here loves you, they hate you, you make their lives a living hell." 3 times I tried to overdose on pain pills.

16, My 24 year old boyfriend was living with me, I was drinking from the time I woke up until the time I went to bed. I lost my virginity to him, and I began to hate him. Everything he was, disgusted me. Why? Because of how he relied on me for his source of strength. I felt sorry for him, but I was 16, ya know? I was just as empty as he was. We were both professed 'atheists'. I needed something, I knew what I wanted, but I didn't know how.. or who. I wanted SOMETHING to satisfy, forever. NOT for a fleeting moment. I began to think, "Hey if a guy wants me, maybe they can love me."

I met a 47 year old man 2 months before I turned 17. He was a smooth talker. Ya know, the guys who are arrogant, and not afraid to be 'demanding' with the moves he makes. The guys you wouldn't ever imagine yourself being with, but your PASSION for SOMETHING, ANYTHING to fill the void, and the flesh combined, meet for an illegal experience. I didn't say No to him. In fact, I thought I loved him.. But this man, DID tell me about Jesus, even though he didn't live the lifestyle.

I knew from before I had stopped going to church, Word and Spirit Church was THE place, I was to be then, but I hadn't come back to God just yet.

When I was living in the world, I promised IF I EVER CAME BACK TO GOD, I WOULDN'T BE LIKE THE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, I WOULD GIVE GOD MY EVERYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S THE AMMOUNT OF DEDICATION, THAT'S THE AMMOUNT OF PASSION I HAD!!!

Before I went to church, I heard a song I once listened to called, 'Missing Person' by Michael W. Smith, While I was doing dishes. I remembered every word and I sung along with it. The next song that came on was, 'In the Light' by DC Talk. When this song came on, I began to CRY, and I dried it up. (If you knew who I WAS, you knew I was cold hearted and I DID NOT CRY). My sister, said something smart to me, and I felt anger over take me. I went into the living room and began to choke her, and I was angry enough to kill her..I seen the fear in her eyes, and I let go..I ran into my mother's room crying what was I doing, then I SCREAMED, and Cried out GOD HELP ME, then I Yelled YOU DON'T EXIST!!! I literally felt like I was being pulled apart from the inside out. I can't explain how I felt in it's fullest. My mom rebuked me, and I LAUGHED. I marked it off as my not eating, and I did decide I would go to church.

I went to WSC the first week, and listened, but inside I was like, "This dude has lost it, whatever it was, he lost it." Second week back, Brain Essary was there, and I heard a message I wasn't ready for. So I walked out, having received nothing, and I was thinking how hott the guy was the entire time anyways. Sometime during this week I heard a song called, 'More' by Matthew West. Then I broke, and I gave my life BACK to God.

I knew, I had to choose between this 47 year old man, I thought I loved and God, but I hadn't made the decision. I couldn't. I wanted him and God. I wanted God and the World. (RELIGIOUS FOLKS, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS!! GOD SAID IF YOU LOVE ANYTHING MORE THAN HIM YOU'RE NOT WORTHY OF HIM!!) I KNEW.. I went to church, My Pastor, Had answered some questions I had, and understand they were questions out of sincerity not out of philosophy of the desire to debate. The anointing came over him while he was preaching, it's in Early Feb, of 2005, I came back to God in the LATE of Jan 2005. He kept saying, "If you're going to do it, do it NOW." Well, I was thinking and I decided real quick, I'll tell David I don't want to be with him later. I kept putting it off.. God spoke through Pastor, and the Spirit of God arrested me as He said in a firm voice, "IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE NOW AND YOU CAN'T GO BACK. I cried like a baby in the middle of that church. I knew that was God speaking to me. I should have known how much God wanted me then, but GOD knows I was a little, stubborn.. Ok I was ALOT stubborn. (A man will go to hell for lying as quick as he would any other sin).

I buried myself in God's Word. I mean I read the bible for HOURS day in and day out. I couldn't get ENOUGH of Him, and He poured revelation into me, even today I get more and more revelation. PRAISE BE TO GOD who loved me and gave His life for me!

I still hadn't broken the relationship, I didn't want to. April 20th 2005, I didn't make the decision, but it was found out. My parents found out. My mom, became a parent you know, she was angry, and I'm like, the whole time, "God made the decision for me, because He knew I wouldn't." It's the truth, it's how I felt.

Of course they were just angry at me. They called the police and I'm like, "NO NO NO I LOVE HIM MAMA I LOVE HIM." I was rebellious toward the police until they said, "If you cooperate with us, we'll cooperate with you." Well, I gave my testimony dealing with that situation. My mom called Mrs. Blonda, a church elder. She told her, and Mrs. Blonda called the next day and wanted me to come to Hamilton, Alabama with her to the Ramp, because the Holy Ghost told her to bring me along. (I WOULDN'T LIE ABOUT THIS, THIS IS MY CONVICTION OF THE TRUE WORD OF GOD).

April 22nd, 2005 I went with Her, Angie, and Shanta to Hamilton, Alabama. The first 2 nights I'm like, "UGH. I don't want to be here, with these people. It's nice they love God and all, but is all that jumping and screaming and yelling really necessary? I love THAT old man, and La da da da da." Last night, I listened. THis is the third night, and a blonde headed lady of God, who played the guitar as well, had a gift of the Holy Spirit.. She stood up and said, "There's a girl here tonight.." I'm not going to say the whole thing the Lady spoke under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, because I feel as if I shouldn't.

After she spoke that, I feel to my knees and said, "GOD if you wanted me THAT BAD ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SAY SO I'M EASY." No, it isn't 'churchified' or 'dignified' or even 'appropriate' in the average religious persons eyes, but it is the truth. God wants us to be honest with Him. He already knows anyways, but He wants YOU to be Honest with HIM.

Brother man, For over a year, I've been increasingly living the life I say I believe. I've tasted enough of God as to know that I don't belong in the world. In fact when I tried to go back once, I mourned the Spirit of God so bad within me, that I cried, my soul cried, My Spirit Cried, within me, and through me. I CAN'T GO BACK. Do you understand?

Yeah, Sex felt good, Masturbation felt good, Getting stoned was fun in a stupid way, and getting drunk was fun, it was all fun. Why? It felt pleasing to the flesh. HOWEVER, If I have to choose between MY GOD, AND HIS WAY vs. MY FLESH AND THE WAYS OF THE WORLD, because see the father of the World is the Adversary which is Satan, That DECISION is already made, because I WILL NOT COMPROMISE MY CONVICTIONS. I REFUSE to do so!

God's done so much for me, and continues to. He loved me when no one else would. He said, "I want her." When everyone else was looking at me with judging eyes, and pointing out my short-comings. God was my strength, I wasn't my strength HE WAS, and He told me to bless those that curse me, do good to those that hate me, and pray for those that despitefully use and persecute me! He chose me before the foundations of the world. My Flesh can't do it for me.. It really can't.

Brother man, I'm so sorry you've seen people say things and live different ways, but there are people who STRIVE to be more like Christ. Those people are in baby hood stages of Christ. They aren't perfect, and when you begin to exceed where they're at, they try to push you down. It hurts when I die to myself, each time I do, and it's all I want to do, so I can be more like Him. I had to move out of a life with my 2 brothers, sister, mother, and step father on account of this, but I still love them. If Jesus can love them enough to die on the cross for them, certainly I can too. He knew no sin, and loves the sinners, while dying for their sins and bearing their punishment so they wouldn't have to.

Something and know though, is that UNLESS THE CHURCH SEEKS GOD'S FACE, and allows GOD'S WILL, people like you will never believe, and WE, THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST, WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR BEING IN HELL. Why? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO WHAT GOD WANTED US TO DO. There isn't an excuse for that. What can we say to God? "God I knew what you wanted me to do.. but.. but.. " BUT WHAT!! Do you think God will say, "Bless your selfish little heart?" CERTAINLY NOT!! "You that work in iniquity" comes to mind." "Thou wicked servant" comes to mind.

As you see, I can go on and on, but I won't.

God LOVES you, The God in me LOVES you. If you will, accept my apology for the Body. I'm sorry they've let you down, but God never will. I'm sorry they gave into temptation and not the Will of God. Don't blame God though. Religion seems to teach people that we serve a powerless God, who once had power, and that the devil is strong and to be feared. WHAT? Now that's bull crap! Because GOD PUT SATAN UNDER HIS Feet.

I love you, I really do.

[This message has been edited by HellzShellz (edited 03-08-2006).]

ohhi

2006-03-08, 06:21

Now, what are the chances of you turning to god if your life would be perfect?

Gauss

2006-03-09, 05:49

If God is all powerful, can he create a rock so heavy that he can't pick it up?

ohhi

2006-03-09, 16:15

quote:Originally posted by Gauss:

If God is all powerful, can he create a rock so heavy that he can't pick it up?

Since he is all powerful, I'm pretty sure he would be able to pick it up. But yeah, that's a good question, kind of.

JesuitArtiste

2006-03-11, 11:39

quote:Originally posted by HellzShellz:

Bless you, I do love you.

That speech has earned you a lot of respect in my eyes ... In fact I feel somewhat rash in the way I spoke ,but I still feel that ,while god may or may not be real, he is not there to worship. He created ,and If he created ,and he did do it out of love, then he does not require our worship ,requires only that we be good. A true god ,the only god worthy of worship ,would be one that did not demand worship.

Who do we love more ,the dictator ,or the kind monarch who gives you life and cares for you? The monarch ,obviously . Yet why do we love him? because he does not force us to love him. We love those we love because we must ,not because we have a choice. And if god is real ,he has my thanks for life ,and that he does not demand my faith ,I likewise give him my thanks. That I feel free.... Thricewise I give him thanks. But This does not make him real, and he cannot be eternal ,for if he wa he would be the most pity worthy being in existence. The sadness he must feel that all he loves slowly grows old and dies.... No I do not believ in god for both empirical reasons ,and more importantly in my eyes, the implications of such a god. The infinite capacity for pain he must feel.... An eternal life is not a good one ... for eveything repeats....

In anycase ,My hands are cold and I need to eat ,so goodbye ...

Have a Nice Day.

HellzShellz

2006-03-13, 17:06

quote:Originally posted by JesuitArtiste:

That speech has earned you a lot of respect in my eyes ... In fact I feel somewhat rash in the way I spoke ,but I still feel that ,while god may or may not be real, he is not there to worship. He created ,and If he created ,and he did do it out of love, then he does not require our worship ,requires only that we be good. A true god ,the only god worthy of worship ,would be one that did not demand worship.

Who do we love more ,the dictator ,or the kind monarch who gives you life and cares for you? The monarch ,obviously . Yet why do we love him? because he does not force us to love him. We love those we love because we must ,not because we have a choice. And if god is real ,he has my thanks for life ,and that he does not demand my faith ,I likewise give him my thanks. That I feel free.... Thricewise I give him thanks. But This does not make him real, and he cannot be eternal ,for if he wa he would be the most pity worthy being in existence. The sadness he must feel that all he loves slowly grows old and dies.... No I do not believ in god for both empirical reasons ,and more importantly in my eyes, the implications of such a god. The infinite capacity for pain he must feel.... An eternal life is not a good one ... for eveything repeats....

In anycase ,My hands are cold and I need to eat ,so goodbye ...

Have a Nice Day.

In the OT, they THANKED God for doing something, by faith, that He said He HAS DONE ALREADY. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:6. All God really asked His people, Israel, to do, was REMEMBER HIM, and WHO HE WAS. It's like He said, "When you worship demonic deceptions, and forget about me, remember THE LORD YOUR GOD, who brought you out of Egypt, and TURN back to me, I'll be here.. I LOVE YOU, I'M SLOW TO ANGER."

"If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray, turn from their wicked ways, I'll hear from heaven, and HEAL THEIR LAND."

All God wants is to love and be loved. My Goodness, He created us in His likeliness. What do WE want? WE WANT TO BE LOVED. We were created TO SEEK HIM. God IS LOVE. Jesus had a relationship so close to God, that He was actually IN God.. His relationship was so CLOSE with God, that He [Jesus] only did what His Father would have Him do. See when you know someone, so well, you know what they like and dislike. Insomuch, you can be in ANY situation and know how and what they would do.. Because you LOVE them, and KNOW them. You give up YOUR SELFISH DESIRES FOR THEM.

My goodness, God gave up His son for us, because of HIS LOVE FOR US, even though we'd done nothing to deserve it.. and He did it so it was fool proof. So that all you have to do is USE JESUS'S NAME to COME TO HIM, since sin had separated us, and He made us SONS AND DAUGHTERS, "So that ONE would become MANY." Jesus, My Big Brother. God, My Father... I'VE BEEN REDEEMED from the curse, and freed from the shackles that held me bondage.

In the OT prophecy, He'd said, "They'll answer for their own sins."

It's like He said, "I won't allow Shelly to suffer because of what Adam did, Instead I'll give her her OWN will, and let HER make her OWN decisions." My "determined purpose" is to know HIM, as Paul said.

Many times, I've cried, wondering how much sadness I've brought God. His own people don't seek His face, His heart, what HIS PLANS ARE. Instead, they make their own, and ASK GOD TO BLESS THEM. The people GOD The Father, sent His son to die for are the very people using Him.

I can't imagine being married, and my husband only talking to me when he wanted something, and not asking me anything about me, or knowing anything about me. A husband who didn't even attempt to SPEND or TAKE TIME to be with, or know me. I can't imagine loving someone so much, and them constantly giving me a 'cold shoulder', yet Love overcomes all.

It's odd, God is love, and We want to be loved.. How have we become so blinded to the Truth? How did our ancestors permit this? I'm glad I don't answer for their decision, but for my own.

Bill Winston also said this.. "Education was NEVER meant to come before revelation." He was talking about the church and state separation. That if the enemy could get us over into reasoning before we were able to form a relationship with God, we'd never have FAITH enough to BELIEVE God, we would try to UNDERSTAND 'how' instead of 'who' He is, and was.

When it doesn't make sense, it makes faith, and when it makes Faith, it doesn't make sense.

I like you, because you're REAL, with how you feel. Even if it saddens me, it encourages me to run my race, for God, and HIS love for people like you.