View Full Version : there is no such thing as a true religion
dark_remedy
2005-12-01, 04:29
It is true, because religion is man made and we are all fucked up and imperfect - who can we really try to make it one strict idea? What ever happened to one's relationship to god?
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-12-01, 04:52
you dont have a single clue as to the origins of any religion... do you?
TerminatorVinitiatoR
2005-12-01, 05:05
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
you dont have a single clue as to the origins of any religion... do you?
AHAHA, what? and you do?
your bible is just a retranslation of a retranslation of a retranslation of a translation of a myth.
so are all the other religions.
also, none of them deal with facts at all.
"so are all the other religions."
Not mine, it has never been translated
"also, none of them deal with facts at all."
Fine deals entirely with fact
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-12-02, 05:53
quote:Originally posted by TerminatorVinitiatoR:
AHAHA, what? and you do?
your bible is just a retranslation of a retranslation of a retranslation of a translation of a myth.
so are all the other religions.
also, none of them deal with facts at all.
I see the same can be said of you.
Sgt. Lag
2005-12-02, 06:32
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
you dont have a single clue as to the origins of any religion... do you?
Of the two I know, they both kind of seem ridiculous.
Christian deals with a carpenter who, around his retirement age, spread the word about an omnipotent entity and that you should follow his word, which was supposedly the one of this God.
And Islam has something about a man goes to think in a cave, has some sort of vision, then tells people to follow him.
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-12-02, 06:44
And now you know why I say that.
TerminatorVinitiatoR
2005-12-02, 06:51
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
And now you know why I say that.
mysterious..........
That being said, if you have no faith, then any religion isn't gonna work for you.
Its like a contradiction. If you have faith, your faith is secure. If you don't and you start question-ing your faith, then your belief in whatever it is is obviously flawed. Hence, we are all supposed to unquestionably have faith in something we don't understand nor know.
Fundokiller
2005-12-02, 11:04
Wow that will really help the progress of humanity, I mean how can blindly obeying an orginzation that has had a history of committing gross atrocities not save your soul? I mean they said it would and even though there is not a shred of verifiable evidence, who are we to question the divine whim of god, I mean what would the priests possibly hope to gain by requisitioning money and obedience from gullible fools?
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-12-02, 17:47
I didnt know Bhuddists went on murderous rampages....
http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)
Osiris89
2005-12-02, 22:41
quote:Originally posted by Krojurn:
That being said, if you have no faith, then any religion isn't gonna work for you.
Its like a contradiction. If you have faith, your faith is secure. If you don't and you start question-ing your faith, then your belief in whatever it is is obviously flawed. Hence, we are all supposed to unquestionably have faith in something we don't understand nor know.
"In the beginning of the world, The Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything through his noodly appendage. He created a tree, mountain, and a midget. He rested on the 5th day (friday) and later created mankind." from: http://www.venganza.org/
Your religions is as silly as the above quote. Faith? Why the hell would you put your faith on a bowl of spaghetti; or god? Because the truth is; there is no such thing as god. Humans created god - as a means of mass population control.
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
I didnt know Bhuddists went on murderous rampages....
http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)
Then you need to read more history books...
quote:Originally posted by Axiom:
Then you need to read more history books...
I think the one you are talking about repented and became a buddhist AFTER he killed lots of people. sort of like regret
ingalls20
2005-12-04, 19:21
quote:Originally posted by Osiris89:
Humans created god - as a means of mass population control.Exactly.
Xiao Mei
2005-12-05, 02:01
This is one of those debates that no one can win.
Humans created god - as a means of mass population control.
I'm glad you paid attention when I said, "Prove it."
FunkyZombie
2005-12-06, 06:08
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
I didnt know Bhuddists went on murderous rampages....
http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)
I recommend looking into the history of the Japanese Yamabushi, Sohei, and Ikko-Ikki warrior monks.
Osiris89
2005-12-08, 01:19
quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:
Humans created god - as a means of mass population control.
I'm glad you paid attention when I said, "Prove it."
I am not going to reply to this post for stupidity... but... go look at history. The main influence of the past was cults such as religion. The Vatican for a large portion of Europe's past had control - sometimes even more control than kings! Additionally, other thought forms, such as science, occult, and spirituality was disregarded in favor of "Christianity". The Inquisition was the one confiscating all the lore against the machine. The only books that were not burned came from the Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea Scrolls. In my opinion, thought and discussion should be open and debated - not controlled. That's what Totse is about.
Other "heresies" committed by the Church were witch hunts - brutal killing of innocent women, crusades - racial hatred for the Arabian people, and trying to undermine science - Gallileo and the promotion of a heliocentric universe.
You can't agree with the fact all religions are cults? Well, I have studied APS (Anthropology, Psychology, Sociology) this year and one thing they explain are cults. All religious leaders benefit from the "cultivation" of people. However, you can find a sense of your own opinion by finding other sources on the net.
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When the passage of time is involved; culture, politics and other corruptive influences distort the essence of religion – whether on purpose or not. When these are combined with imperfect decision making by human beings, wisdom of ages may end up a bunch of nonfunctional rules and restrictions that do not make much reasonable sense.
This is when religion really becomes organized religion.
New generations who are born to this distorted belief system either blindly follow it or refuse to accept most parts of it – even though they have faith in the concept of a supreme being.
This may foster social polarization between believers and non-believers - as well as polarization among sects. Because, when religion is equated to rules and restrictions, it loses its edge, and the door to bigotry opens. Rules and restrictions become the religion itself. The involvement of the previously mentioned blind followers and narrow-mindedness in the equation takes this to a further level.
This is how a cult mentality that embraces conformity is born.
http://www.fiscalstudy.com/opinion/2003/12/organized_religion_and_mind_control.php
Hope that helps you.
Dark_Merchant
2005-12-08, 01:48
All we had to do was look after eachother and the planet. We failed at both.
chubbyman25
2005-12-08, 10:49
quote:Originally posted by Boblong:
"so are all the other religions."
Not mine, it has never been translated
"also, none of them deal with facts at all."
Fine deals entirely with fact
Are you talking about atheism? Because that's not really a religion...
Orisis89:
I am not going to reply to this post for stupidity... but... go look at history. The main influence of the past was cults such as religion. The Vatican for a large portion of Europe's past had control - sometimes even more control than kings!
That a religious institution had much sway over the course of history does not have anything to do with God as the type we are most often discussing - the ambiguous and mysterious generator of life as we, as conscious human beings, know it.
Additionally, other thought forms, such as science, occult, and spirituality was disregarded in favor of "Christianity".
Favoring a particular mode of thought does not mean that the matter it addresses - namely, God - was created by its admirers, no more than implying that I am David's father because I like Michaelangelo's statue of David.
The Inquisition was the one confiscating all the lore against the machine. The only books that were not burned came from the Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And? Confiscating literature that contradicts the mode of thought in a particular entity is hardly new news. Practically every civilization in the history of man, from the Soviet Union to ancient Egypt, has limited the course of thinking and history by destroying records and toppling monuments. Why single out Christianity for that?
And that -still- doesn't prove that man created God.
In my opinion, thought and discussion should be open and debated - not controlled. That's what Totse is about.
If Totse's taught me anything, it's that open debate should be controlled to allow for thoughtful discussion.
Other "heresies" committed by the Church were witch hunts - brutal killing of innocent women, crusades - racial hatred for the Arabian people, and trying to undermine science - Gallileo and the promotion of a heliocentric universe.
1. This directs attention at one religion in the entire expanse of the human history of the world. You're narrowing your vision way too much.
2. Much like my first point concerning admiration and its alleged implication of creation, that an organization performs particular acts in the name of a principle does little to detract from the validity of said principle.
Say a cop shoots somebody in a protest. Does that mean having a force to maintain peace is a bad idea?
22 bombs were planted throughout Northern Ireland in June of 1972, killing nine people. Does this nullify the need for Irish autonomy?
3. The connection to these atrocities and the human origin of God hasn't even been touched upon.
You can't agree with the fact all religions are cults?
Seeing as I was never asked that...
Well, I have studied APS (Anthropology, Psychology, Sociology) this year and one thing they explain are cults.
A remedial humanities course doesn't make you an expert, kid.
When the passage of time is involved; culture, politics and other corruptive influences distort the essence of religion - whether on purpose or not. When these are combined with imperfect decision making by human beings, wisdom of ages may end up a bunch of nonfunctional rules and restrictions that do not make much reasonable sense.
This is when religion really becomes organized religion.
Now that we understand a leftist perception of religion, what has he to say about God?
New generations who are born to this distorted belief system either blindly follow it or refuse to accept most parts of it - even though they have faith in the concept of a supreme being.
This may foster social polarization between believers and non-believers - as well as polarization among sects. Because, when religion is equated to rules and restrictions, it loses its edge, and the door to bigotry opens. Rules and restrictions become the religion itself. The involvement of the previously mentioned blind followers and narrow-mindedness in the equation takes this to a further level.
This is how a cult mentality that embraces conformity is born.
And yet another leftist perception on the history of religion. Once again, God as a principle remains untouched.