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i need your help.. all 3 of u.. anyway.. my griend recently told me he hit 3rd base.. i was kinda shocked since hes been my friend for 4 years, and hes a preachers son to beat it all. I tried for 3 hours trying to change his mind, but he is quite content on the fact that its perfectly fine and nothings wrong with it, he asks how its no different from kissing,which kinda stumped me.. even though.. yea.. theres something wrong with it.. so can any of u major christians give me any advice http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)?
niggersexual
2005-11-28, 05:01
Leave him alone or fight him or something.
TerminatorVinitiatoR
2005-11-28, 05:07
which one's third base? blowjob? what?
just chill out, its not the end of the world, unless he's 12 and the person he made 3rd base with was feely uncle fred.
in which case call the police.
Real.PUA
2005-11-28, 05:20
Say "if its just kissing then you wont mind if I tell your pops."
There you have it a sure fire way to lose a friend.
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-11-28, 06:47
LMFAO, all three of us ehh? Riotous...
Anyway.... I am stumped. Maybe its just me skipping the last two weeks of church or something, but anyway, presupposing he is indeed a believer, God isnt going to be happy with his behaviour and is going to pwn him royally in the long run.
Ever wonder why hicks in the Bible Belt are so fucked up and how it all started?
Look around at your fellow totseans. Observe their decadence and their tattered lives.
Remember King David? He was chased for years and wasnt allowed to build a temple because of his sinful ways. Pwned.
I suppose if his father is a pastor, you should ask him about what you should be telling your friend, instead of asking totse?
ck_psy_sjk
2005-11-28, 08:17
When God creates something, He creates it with purpose and design. The Genesis account of creation makes it clear that God's creation is "good" (Genesis 1:31). But mankind has a history of distorting what God has made, whether out of ignorance or just plain stubbornness. The golden calf of the Israelites, for example. Gold is beautiful to look at, but God clearly did not want His people worshipping it.
Sex (and yes, sex was God's idea) is no different. God created it, and therefore it is reasonable to expect that it is good. But when man distorts it by ignoring God's specific standards, it becomes harmful and destructive. So the question we've asked 'why save sex for marriage' is really a question of understanding God's purpose and design for sex. We can choose to do things God's way, and experience the beauty of His plan, or we can choose to do things our way, and experience harm and destruction (Proverbs 16:25).
So, let's talk first about why God created sex. One reason is obvious: procreation. When God told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28), they probably figured out that He wanted them to have sex. But God also wanted them to develop intimacy with one another, and He knew that sex would help them do that, in a way that nothing else could.
God also knew that because sex is so powerful in creating intimacy that there must be some constraints on how it was to be used, so He specifically relegated sex to the arena of marriage. The kind of intimacy that God desires between a married couple cannot occur between one person and several others; it can only be experienced between one man and one woman. Hence God has specifically said, "Do not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14), and "Flee sexual immorality" (1 Corinthians 6:18). That is, do not have sex with someone who is not your spouse. Obedience requires that sex be reserved for one's spouse.
So far we have two basic reasons to save sex for marriage: (1) God tells us to, and (2) God's purpose and design for sex cannot be fully achieved any other way. Many, though, have argued that non-marriage sex is not all that harmful. Let's look carefully at the potential consequences for this particular area of disobedience.
Sex outside of marriage causes damage in at least two areas: (1) physical consequences, and (2) relational consequences.
The physical consequences are becoming increasingly obvious and increasingly dangerous in today's society. AIDS and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases are frightening realities. "Safe sex" is more accurately described as "reduced risk sex." The only truly safe sex is abstinence. There is also a very real risk that children could be born -- and possibly grow up without two parents. Your actions affect your life, your partner's life, and the lives of your family. They can result in handicapping an innocent baby's life as well. Worst of all the willfull destruction of human life often results from pre-marital sex.)
The relational consequences are just as real, though they may be more difficult to grasp. First, sin always damages a person's relationship with his God. Psalm 66:18 says, "If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened." Intentional disobedience of God's command to not commit adultery dishonors and displeases God. Conversely, God is pleased when His children choose obedience and self-control instead of the immediacy of pleasure.
Second, relational damage happens between a Christian and those who are watching his life. The sin of adultery (i.e., televangelist scandals) causes a person's friends and even "outsiders" to view the adulterer as less committed to obedience, and more prone to hypocrisy. But a Christian who saves himself or herself in obedience to God wins the respect of those who see his or her life.
Sex outside of marriage also damages the relationship between the persons involved. Trust is the main issue here. If two people do not cherish sex enough to wait for a marriage commitment, how can they trust one another for fidelity? Conversely, a man and woman build trust and respect for one another when they both survive the struggles of self-control - each will have the confidence that the other respects them, and cherishes their intimacy.
Similarly, if a person has not carried sexual purity into marriage, his or her marriage relationship is affected by the past. If a man or woman has previously had sex with someone else, their marital intimacy has already been affected. One or both spouses will have to deal with real or perceived comparisons with "former lovers" and feeling that intimacy was not important enough for the other person to wait for it. But if both have waited for their wedding night, the intimacy has already begun with a solid foundation.
Why save sex for marriage? We've discussed several reasons: (1) God commands us to, (2) God's purpose and design for sex can only be achieved within marriage, and (3) the physical and relational consequences of sex outside of marriage are painfully real.
"But we're in love!" some might say. Maybe so, but if one believes in God's definition of love, he must realize that love is patient and kind; it does not seek to please itself, nor does it delight in evil, but is always hopeful (1 Corinthians 13). True love would be patient in waiting for the proper time for sex.
It would be kind to future spouses by not pre-harming marital intimacy. True love would be unselfish in placing God's desires and the needs of others above itself. It would not delight in the evil of disobedience, nor would it force another to disobey God. Love could never be a reason for premarital sex; rather, it should be one of the greatest reasons to avoid premarital sex.
"But we're going to be married anyway" is another common excuse. Along with being presumptuous, this stance will almost certainly leave one question unanswered: If one gives in to moral temptation before marriage, what's to stop him or her from giving in to moral temptation once married?
"What if it's too late? What if I've already forfeited my sexual purity?"
Good question! Certainly a person cannot reverse the past, but there are a number of steps one should take to keep from further damaging his or her intimacy with God and others.
ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS
# What are the consequences of sexual immorality? Answer
# How far is too far? What are the guidelines for dating relationships? Answer
# What is true love and how do you know when you have found it? Answer
# My boyfriend wants to have sex. I don't want to lose him. What should I do? Answer
# What does God think of "missionary dating"? Answer
# Why won't my parents allow me to single-date? Answer
See our large Web site on SEX, LOVE & RELATIONSHIPS - learn about dating, sexual addictions, pregnancy, abortion, abuse, homosexuality, and more. Find personal help and read first hand accounts of what wrong decisions lead to. Go
First, acknowledge your actions as sin. For those who have accepted Christ's payment of the penalty for their sins, He asks only that they confess - agree with God that they are sinful.
Second, maintain purity from this moment forward. Jesus told the woman caught in sexual sin to "go and sin no more" (John 8:11). You cannot change what's been done, but you can keep yourself and others from any further damage by avoiding situations which might cause you to compromise your commitment to sexual purity. Paul advised Timothy to run away from temptation (2 Timothy 2:22), and Joseph is famous for running from moral danger (Genesis 39:7-12).
Third, be honest with anyone who is a "potential spouse" - don't wait till your wedding night to discuss your sexual past. Some intimacy problems may be averted if you address them early on.
Sex is a good thing. It must be, if God created it! The only way to keep it a "good thing" is to follow God's guidelines. God will reward you if you choose to honor Him, and save sex for its proper time and place - your marriage.
Consequences of Sexual immortality
Nobody is immune to sexual temptation. It is a serious problem and deserves serious attention. This article is meant to be a helpful reminder of how terrible the consequences of falling to sexual temptation can be. Print these pages and read them often. Read them periodically and on a regular basis, especially while traveling or under special temptation and weakness. If You rehearse these consequences on a regular basis, you will be able to identify the fog of sin's deception which will motivate you to think and live purely today - which is the only way to prevent immorality tomorrow.
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
* Grieving of the Lord who redeemed me.
* Displeasure of the One whose opinion most matters to me.
* Discrediting the name of Yahweh - dragging his name into the mud.
* Loss of reward and commendation from God.
* One day having to look at Jesus face to face and explain why I did it.
* Forcing God to discipline me in various ways.
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY SPOUSE AND MY FAMILY
* Untold hurt to ________ (fill in spouse's name).
* Loss of ________'s respect.
* Loss of ________'s trust.
* If my blindness should continue or if ________ is unable to forgive me, I could lose him/her.
* Loss of my children's respect.
* Loss of my children's trust.
* If my blindness should continue or my children are unable to forgive me, I could lose them.
* Loss of example and credibility, nullifying my influence on my family who need to build on their relationships with Christ.
* Because of my present failure, future generations of my family may have difficulty in this area.
* Shame to my family would result.
* The probability that my mother and father would know about my unfaithfulness, and how it would hurt them (possibly even blaming themselves).
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN DISCIPLINES BROUGHT UPON SELF
* Shame and life-long embarrassment to myself.
* Discrediting my own name.
* Loss of self-respect.
* Terrible feelings of guilt are hard to shake; even though God would forgive me, would I forgive myself?
* Plaguing memories and flashbacks that could taint future intimacy with my spouse.
* Failure in the area of sexual temptation may affect my ability to know "right from wrong" in other important moral areas, having defiled my conscience.
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN MY FRIENDS AND MINISTRY
* Shame and hurt to my friends and especially those I have taught about Christ and discipled toward spiritual maturity.
* Shame to my church family.
* Shame and hurt to those I work with at _____________ (fill name of business).
* Weakened faith of those I have ministered to.
* Loss of my children's respect.
* Irretrievable loss of years of witnessing to my unsaved friends and family.
* Possibly keeping some from accepting Christ, being lost for eternity.
* Years of training and/or experience in my ministry wasted for at least a long period of time, maybe for good.
* Surrender of the thing I am called to and love to do (consider aspects of my gifts as used in ministry).
* Following in the footsteps of others I know of whose immorality caused me to grieve.
* Pain to innocent people around me who would get hit by my shrapnel (ie. the sins of Achan, David, and others).
OTHER RAMIFICATIONS
* Bringing great pleasure to Satan, the enemy of God and all that is good.
* Laughter, rejoicing and blasphemous smugness by those who disrespect God and the church (2 Sam. 12:14) .
* Heaping judgment and endless problems on the person I committed adultery with.
* Possible physical consequences (pregnancy from adultery, STD's, AIDS, etc.).
Keep your mind on the things of God, especially upon His Word. Here are a few scripture verses upon which to meditate:
Hold onto instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life.
--Proverbs 4:13
I have made a covenant with my eyes, how then could I gaze at a virgin?
--Job 31:1
Do not set foot on the path of the wicked, or walk in the way of evil men. Avoid it, do not travel on it, turn from it and go on your way."
--Proverbs 4:14-15
Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.
--Proverbs 4:23
And do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
--Romans 6:13
Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body... Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? May it never be!... Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body... For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body."
--I Corinthians 6:13-20
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
--Galatians 6:7
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one woman (a one woman kind of man)
--I Timothy 3:2
Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity.
--I Timothy 5:1,2
taken from http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-f007.html http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/sum-f001.html
quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:
Say "if its just kissing then you wont mind if I tell your pops."
There you have it a sure fire way to lose a friend.
well u see.. im trying not lose him as a friend
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
LMFAO, all three of us ehh? Riotous...
Anyway.... I am stumped. Maybe its just me skipping the last two weeks of church or something, but anyway, presupposing he is indeed a believer, God isnt going to be happy with his behaviour and is going to pwn him royally in the long run.
Ever wonder why hicks in the Bible Belt are so fucked up and how it all started?
Look around at your fellow totseans. Observe their decadence and their tattered lives.
Remember King David? He was chased for years and wasnt allowed to build a temple because of his sinful ways. Pwned.
I suppose if his father is a pastor, you should ask him about what you should be telling your friend, instead of asking totse?
His father knows me, i got to there church, if i were to ask him about this he would know right away about who im talking about :S
quote:Originally posted by ck_psy_sjk:
When God creates something, He creates it with purpose and design. The Genesis account of creation makes it clear that God's creation is "good" (Genesis 1:31). But mankind has a history of distorting what God has made, whether out of ignorance or just plain stubbornness. The golden calf of the Israelites, for example. Gold is beautiful to look at, but God clearly did not want His people worshipping it.
Sex (and yes, sex was God's idea) is no different. God created it, and therefore it is reasonable to expect that it is good. But when man distorts it by ignoring God's specific standards, it becomes harmful and destructive. So the question we've asked 'why save sex for marriage' is really a question of understanding God's purpose and design for sex. We can choose to do things God's way, and experience the beauty of His plan, or we can choose to do things our way, and experience harm and destruction (Proverbs 16:25).
So, let's talk first about why God created sex. One reason is obvious: procreation. When God told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28), they probably figured out that He wanted them to have sex. But God also wanted them to develop intimacy with one another, and He knew that sex would help them do that, in a way that nothing else could.
God also knew that because sex is so powerful in creating intimacy that there must be some constraints on how it was to be used, so He specifically relegated sex to the arena of marriage. The kind of intimacy that God desires between a married couple cannot occur between one person and several others; it can only be experienced between one man and one woman. Hence God has specifically said, "Do not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14), and "Flee sexual immorality" (1 Corinthians 6:18). That is, do not have sex with someone who is not your spouse. Obedience requires that sex be reserved for one's spouse.
So far we have two basic reasons to save sex for marriage: (1) God tells us to, and (2) God's purpose and design for sex cannot be fully achieved any other way. Many, though, have argued that non-marriage sex is not all that harmful. Let's look carefully at the potential consequences for this particular area of disobedience.
Sex outside of marriage causes damage in at least two areas: (1) physical consequences, and (2) relational consequences.
The physical consequences are becoming increasingly obvious and increasingly dangerous in today's society. AIDS and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases are frightening realities. "Safe sex" is more accurately described as "reduced risk sex." The only truly safe sex is abstinence. There is also a very real risk that children could be born -- and possibly grow up without two parents. Your actions affect your life, your partner's life, and the lives of your family. They can result in handicapping an innocent baby's life as well. Worst of all the willfull destruction of human life often results from pre-marital sex.)
The relational consequences are just as real, though they may be more difficult to grasp. First, sin always damages a person's relationship with his God. Psalm 66:18 says, "If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened." Intentional disobedience of God's command to not commit adultery dishonors and displeases God. Conversely, God is pleased when His children choose obedience and self-control instead of the immediacy of pleasure.
Second, relational damage happens between a Christian and those who are watching his life. The sin of adultery (i.e., televangelist scandals) causes a person's friends and even "outsiders" to view the adulterer as less committed to obedience, and more prone to hypocrisy. But a Christian who saves himself or herself in obedience to God wins the respect of those who see his or her life.
Sex outside of marriage also damages the relationship between the persons involved. Trust is the main issue here. If two people do not cherish sex enough to wait for a marriage commitment, how can they trust one another for fidelity? Conversely, a man and woman build trust and respect for one another when they both survive the struggles of self-control - each will have the confidence that the other respects them, and cherishes their intimacy.
Similarly, if a person has not carried sexual purity into marriage, his or her marriage relationship is affected by the past. If a man or woman has previously had sex with someone else, their marital intimacy has already been affected. One or both spouses will have to deal with real or perceived comparisons with "former lovers" and feeling that intimacy was not important enough for the other person to wait for it. But if both have waited for their wedding night, the intimacy has already begun with a solid foundation.
Why save sex for marriage? We've discussed several reasons: (1) God commands us to, (2) God's purpose and design for sex can only be achieved within marriage, and (3) the physical and relational consequences of sex outside of marriage are painfully real.
"But we're in love!" some might say. Maybe so, but if one believes in God's definition of love, he must realize that love is patient and kind; it does not seek to please itself, nor does it delight in evil, but is always hopeful (1 Corinthians 13). True love would be patient in waiting for the proper time for sex.
It would be kind to future spouses by not pre-harming marital intimacy. True love would be unselfish in placing God's desires and the needs of others above itself. It would not delight in the evil of disobedience, nor would it force another to disobey God. Love could never be a reason for premarital sex; rather, it should be one of the greatest reasons to avoid premarital sex.
"But we're going to be married anyway" is another common excuse. Along with being presumptuous, this stance will almost certainly leave one question unanswered: If one gives in to moral temptation before marriage, what's to stop him or her from giving in to moral temptation once married?
"What if it's too late? What if I've already forfeited my sexual purity?"
Good question! Certainly a person cannot reverse the past, but there are a number of steps one should take to keep from further damaging his or her intimacy with God and others.
ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS
# What are the consequences of sexual immorality? Answer
# How far is too far? What are the guidelines for dating relationships? Answer
# What is true love and how do you know when you have found it? Answer
# My boyfriend wants to have sex. I don't want to lose him. What should I do? Answer
# What does God think of "missionary dating"? Answer
# Why won't my parents allow me to single-date? Answer
See our large Web site on SEX, LOVE & RELATIONSHIPS - learn about dating, sexual addictions, pregnancy, abortion, abuse, homosexuality, and more. Find personal help and read first hand accounts of what wrong decisions lead to. Go
First, acknowledge your actions as sin. For those who have accepted Christ's payment of the penalty for their sins, He asks only that they confess - agree with God that they are sinful.
Second, maintain purity from this moment forward. Jesus told the woman caught in sexual sin to "go and sin no more" (John 8:11). You cannot change what's been done, but you can keep yourself and others from any further damage by avoiding situations which might cause you to compromise your commitment to sexual purity. Paul advised Timothy to run away from temptation (2 Timothy 2:22), and Joseph is famous for running from moral danger (Genesis 39:7-12).
Third, be honest with anyone who is a "potential spouse" - don't wait till your wedding night to discuss your sexual past. Some intimacy problems may be averted if you address them early on.
Sex is a good thing. It must be, if God created it! The only way to keep it a "good thing" is to follow God's guidelines. God will reward you if you choose to honor Him, and save sex for its proper time and place - your marriage.
Consequences of Sexual immortality
Nobody is immune to sexual temptation. It is a serious problem and deserves serious attention. This article is meant to be a helpful reminder of how terrible the consequences of falling to sexual temptation can be. Print these pages and read them often. Read them periodically and on a regular basis, especially while traveling or under special temptation and weakness. If You rehearse these consequences on a regular basis, you will be able to identify the fog of sin's deception which will motivate you to think and live purely today - which is the only way to prevent immorality tomorrow.
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN MY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD
* Grieving of the Lord who redeemed me.
* Displeasure of the One whose opinion most matters to me.
* Discrediting the name of Yahweh - dragging his name into the mud.
* Loss of reward and commendation from God.
* One day having to look at Jesus face to face and explain why I did it.
* Forcing God to discipline me in various ways.
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY SPOUSE AND MY FAMILY
* Untold hurt to ________ (fill in spouse's name).
* Loss of ________'s respect.
* Loss of ________'s trust.
* If my blindness should continue or if ________ is unable to forgive me, I could lose him/her.
* Loss of my children's respect.
* Loss of my children's trust.
* If my blindness should continue or my children are unable to forgive me, I could lose them.
* Loss of example and credibility, nullifying my influence on my family who need to build on their relationships with Christ.
* Because of my present failure, future generations of my family may have difficulty in this area.
* Shame to my family would result.
* The probability that my mother and father would know about my unfaithfulness, and how it would hurt them (possibly even blaming themselves).
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN DISCIPLINES BROUGHT UPON SELF
* Shame and life-long embarrassment to myself.
* Discrediting my own name.
* Loss of self-respect.
* Terrible feelings of guilt are hard to shake; even though God would forgive me, would I forgive myself?
* Plaguing memories and flashbacks that could taint future intimacy with my spouse.
* Failure in the area of sexual temptation may affect my ability to know "right from wrong" in other important moral areas, having defiled my conscience.
CONSEQUENCES WHICH CONCERN MY FRIENDS AND MINISTRY
* Shame and hurt to my friends and especially those I have taught about Christ and discipled toward spiritual maturity.
* Shame to my church family.
* Shame and hurt to those I work with at _____________ (fill name of business).
* Weakened faith of those I have ministered to.
* Loss of my children's respect.
* Irretrievable loss of years of witnessing to my unsaved friends and family.
* Possibly keeping some from accepting Christ, being lost for eternity.
* Years of training and/or experience in my ministry wasted for at least a long period of time, maybe for good.
* Surrender of the thing I am called to and love to do (consider aspects of my gifts as used in ministry).
* Following in the footsteps of others I know of whose immorality caused me to grieve.
* Pain to innocent people around me who would get hit by my shrapnel (ie. the sins of Achan, David, and others).
OTHER RAMIFICATIONS
* Bringing great pleasure to Satan, the enemy of God and all that is good.
* Laughter, rejoicing and blasphemous smugness by those who disrespect God and the church (2 Sam. 12:14) .
* Heaping judgment and endless problems on the person I committed adultery with.
* Possible physical consequences (pregnancy from adultery, STD's, AIDS, etc.).
Keep your mind on the things of God, especially upon His Word. Here are a few scripture verses upon which to meditate:
Hold onto instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life.
--Proverbs 4:13
I have made a covenant with my eyes, how then could I gaze at a virgin?
--Job 31:1
Do not set foot on the path of the wicked, or walk in the way of evil men. Avoid it, do not travel on it, turn from it and go on your way."
--Proverbs 4:14-15
Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.
--Proverbs 4:23
And do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
--Romans 6:13
Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord; and the Lord is for the body... Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? May it never be!... Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body... For you have been bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body."
--I Corinthians 6:13-20
Do not be deceived; God is not mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
--Galatians 6:7
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one woman (a one woman kind of man)
--I Timothy 3:2
Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father, to the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, and the younger women as sisters, in all purity.
--I Timothy 5:1,2
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Yea... thats alot.. omg.. good material thanks
"I see how much I can trust you as a loyal friend.. but then, I guess I should've known."
was the last thing he said.. quite stupid really since im trying to help him
beergoggles
2005-11-28, 22:37
These responses came from totse http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif) Wow, I need to spend less time in Half Baked.
Beholder
2005-11-28, 22:43
If I'm not mistaken, the bible says several times in several different places that one should avoid lust. To "go to third base" is in fact to lust.
Frankly, a passionate frenzy of kissing could be considered lust as far as I'm concerned.
BTW, 3 christians + me = 4.
lol . ok maybe a bit predjudice i am towards totse, but we settled it out.. its finished, i hope
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-11-29, 00:24
quote:Originally posted by Beholder:
If I'm not mistaken, the bible says several times in several different places that one should avoid lust. To "go to third base" is in fact to lust.
Frankly, a passionate frenzy of kissing could be considered lust as far as I'm concerned.
BTW, 3 christians + me = 4.
So, me, you, Digital_Saviour, and Sig.Intel?
Everyone accounted for?
[This message has been edited by ArgonPlasma2000 (edited 11-29-2005).]
rastapimp
2005-11-29, 02:15
I believe in the whole Jesus thing and what he taught but in my mind i dont belong to any religion..but yea lust is forbidden or should be avoided, but this kids not gonna fucking go to hell for a minor act of lust, as a matter of fact, i dont really believe in hell as a place of fire, and am also for reincarnation. So hes cool as loong as he tries his best to be good(in other ways i guess) and loves god.
PS:btw with an open mind read Bhagavad Gita:As It Is, old hindu thing with modern explanation by someone who loves all religion and is supposedly part of a long ass chain of people so he knows what hes doing...
NightVision
2005-11-29, 02:18
quote:Originally posted by 16bit:
i need your help.. all 3 of u.. anyway.. my griend recently told me he hit 3rd base.. i was kinda shocked since hes been my friend for 4 years, and hes a preachers son to beat it all. I tried for 3 hours trying to change his mind, but he is quite content on the fact that its perfectly fine and nothings wrong with it, he asks how its no different from kissing,which kinda stumped me.. even though.. yea.. theres something wrong with it.. so can any of u major christians give me any advice http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)?
Go fuck urself.
TweEeKeR
2005-11-29, 03:12
I don't get it. Are you against your friend having sex? What if a gorgeous vixen that was so fucking horny for you, she would have sex with you whenever, whereever. Would you wait til your 18 and marry her? or would you pounce.
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-11-29, 05:01
quote:Originally posted by TweEeKeR:
I don't get it. Are you against your friend having sex? What if a gorgeous vixen that was so fucking horny for you, she would have sex with you whenever, whereever. Would you wait til your 18 and marry her? or would you pounce.
Hes not against him having sex. He is against his friend ,who is supposedly a Christian, doing things unbecoming.
And I can honestly say that I could resist such as your scenario.
TerminatorVinitiatoR
2005-11-29, 05:48
^gay
Sig_Intel
2005-11-29, 07:27
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
So, me, you, Digital_Saviour, and Sig.Intel?
Everyone accounted for?
Good post ck_psy_sjk - lots of good stuff
MasterPython
2005-11-29, 07:40
So it's not just all the preachers kids I know that do things that would make there father's heads exsplode, it's every preachers kid.
Idea: Let your friend get on with his own life.
dontdrinkbleach
2005-11-29, 18:39
It's his choice and whatever his choice is I'm sure he's thought about it longer and harder than you have. Try not to intefere or you may cause irreparable damage.
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-11-29, 18:49
quote:Originally posted by TerminatorVinitiatoR:
^gay
I was fairly certain someone was going to say that. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-11-29, 18:50
quote:Originally posted by dontdrinkbleach:
I'm sure he's thought about it longer and harder than you have.
Why do you give people so much credit?
dontdrinkbleach
2005-11-29, 18:55
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
Why do you give people so much credit?
Why don't you?
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-11-30, 02:35
quote:Originally posted by dontdrinkbleach:
Why don't you?
Young, teenage male thinking long and hard about doing third base material inclding bragging and using the nomenclature? Give me fucking break.
Another totse christian here, but I don't post much http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
LMFAO, all three of us ehh? Riotous...
Anyway.... I am stumped. Maybe its just me skipping the last two weeks of church or something, but anyway, presupposing he is indeed a believer, God isnt going to be happy with his behaviour and is going to pwn him royally in the long run.
Ever wonder why hicks in the Bible Belt are so fucked up and how it all started?
Look around at your fellow totseans. Observe their decadence and their tattered lives.
Remember King David? He was chased for years and wasnt allowed to build a temple because of his sinful ways. Pwned.
I suppose if his father is a pastor, you should ask him about what you should be telling your friend, instead of asking totse?
Go to hell, you Bin Laden!
vickylala
2005-11-30, 16:28
OMFG! A christian on totse! WTF is going on here. I thought reading anything on totse would violate at least half of what written in that stone slab or bible whatever you call it.
What is 3rd base if your a christian?
Holding hands, Perhaps?
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-11-30, 17:35
To most fundies, holding hands would be a sin.
I would suppose third base would be talking to each other quickly followed up by home base being marriage and at no point prior is physical contact allowed.
dontdrinkbleach
2005-11-30, 19:42
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
Young, teenage male thinking long and hard about doing third base material inclding bragging and using the nomenclature? Give me fucking break.
So you can resist temptation, or at least think about it, but he can't? One second, how old are you, seriously? As in are you a young teenage male?
NightVision
2005-12-01, 00:19
ha. restraint is stupid. ya only live once.
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-12-01, 02:59
quote:Originally posted by dontdrinkbleach:
So you can resist temptation, or at least think about it, but he can't? One second, how old are you, seriously? As in are you a young teenage male?
Give me a fucking break. The guy brags about it for fucks sake and you give him a benefit of doubt?
And a rudimentary search on my posts will tell you exactly how old I am.
dontdrinkbleach
2005-12-01, 18:42
Fair enough.
chubbyman25
2005-12-03, 11:24
quote:Originally posted by NightVision:
ya only live once.
But that once lasts for eternity.
Why not live a good life and be happy with it?
xtreem5150ahm
2005-12-03, 14:58
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:
So, me, you, Digital_Saviour, and Sig.Intel?
Everyone accounted for?
****clears throat****
I know i havent responded much lately, but i do try to atleast read a few posts.
TheParkinator
2005-12-04, 07:37
*looks at watch*
eh... nn..
*straitens tie*
*combs hair back*
*cracks knuckles*
"ehem"
"Do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti ....."
I'm ready.
HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *chokes* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
*begins to cry*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .
AHA.
ah.
haha.
ah....
I hope that helps.
quote:Originally posted by beergoggles:
These responses came from totse http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif) Wow, I need to spend less time in Half Baked.
Go back to Half-Baked, I suspect people who post there have higher IQ's.
Xiao Mei
2005-12-04, 19:50
I think God has bigger fish to fry than worrying about who's doing what with whom. Sexual attraction and the desire to do something about it are perfectly natural feelings and are nothing to be ashamed of. It's not abstinance that people need to be concerned with, it's practicing responsible sexual behaviour.
Sex should be one of the best parts of life, not something you feel bad about. Just encourage your friend to be responsible and wear condoms.
I was told my whole life growing up that sex and sexual feelings are bad, evil and wrong. As an adult, I've come to realise it's the people who preach that bullshit who are bad, evil and wrong! God loves everyone and I'm sure understands the powerful pull of the teenage hormones! Don't sweat the small stuff and just try to be a good person and a good friend.
xtreem5150ahm
2005-12-04, 20:39
quote:Originally posted by Xiao Mei:
I think God has bigger fish to fry than worrying about who's doing what with whom. Sexual attraction and the desire to do something about it are perfectly natural feelings and are nothing to be ashamed of. It's not abstinance that people need to be concerned with, it's practicing responsible sexual behaviour.
Sex should be one of the best parts of life, not something you feel bad about. Just encourage your friend to be responsible and wear condoms.
I was told my whole life growing up that sex and sexual feelings are bad, evil and wrong. As an adult, I've come to realise it's the people who preach that bullshit who are bad, evil and wrong! God loves everyone and I'm sure understands the powerful pull of the teenage hormones! Don't sweat the small stuff and just try to be a good person and a good friend.
Quick question, Xiao Mei.
The God that you are refering to; is this the Judeo-Christian God?
If it is, then that makes you either a Jew (doubtful, concidering your name) or a Christian, right?
So if you believe that He is the One True God, then (atleast, to a point) you would also believe that the Bible is His Word.
So, if i am on the right track about you, what does God's Word say about the matter? (including how big or small of fish He fries --every hairs on your head are numbered- and "Don't sweat the small stuff and just try to be a good person and a good friend"-- yes, we should live our Faith, but "just being a good person" is not the way to Heaven... so if you are missing that point about Christianity, then you are still under the Law and not under Grace.)
Xiao Mei
2005-12-05, 01:53
I'm referring to the christian/jewish/muslum God in my post.
I think an omnipotent being would be too intelligent and wise to be as nitpicky as a lot of people claim God to be. Also, God forgives people their imperfections and only asks that we constantly strive for self improvement. Not even Jesus was perfect, you'll remember.
Damnned souls are evil people who can't be redeemed. Somehow I don't see a teenager who got to "3rd base" with a girl to be in that category.
Anyway, God didn't write the bible, people did and maybe those people didn't know everything.
I just can't imagine God being the unforgiving monster portrayed in the bible.
ArgonPlasma2000
2005-12-05, 02:20
quote:Originally posted by Xiao Mei:
I'm referring to the christian/jewish/muslum God in my post.
I think an omnipotent being would be too intelligent and wise to be as nitpicky as a lot of people claim God to be. Also, God forgives people their imperfections and only asks that we constantly strive for self improvement. Not even Jesus was perfect, you'll remember.
Damnned souls are evil people who can't be redeemed. Somehow I don't see a teenager who got to "3rd base" with a girl to be in that category.
Anyway, God didn't write the bible, people did and maybe those people didn't know everything.
I just can't imagine God being the unforgiving monster portrayed in the bible.
1: You admit that God is omnipotent, so then why must He be limited to judge only big sin?
2: How in the hell can you even think that Jesus was imperfect? I really want to hear this shit.
3: It says in the Bible that God was the originator of all of whats inside. If men made all of that up, then why would you even consider following a book of lies?
Point being: you dont know your doctrine.
xtreem5150ahm
2005-12-06, 12:56
ArgonPlasma covered most of the points except this one:
quote:Originally posted by Xiao Mei:
I just can't imagine God being the unforgiving monster portrayed in the bible.
I'm not sure why you see God as an unforgiving monster.
Consider the awesomeness of an All powerful Creator. This "being" is the Sovereign God. Being Sovereign, whatever God says, is the Law of the land (let's call them 'commandments' because He Commanded, not suggested). Also, this Sovereign God is also All Knowing... this means that He would know what is best above all... the Sovereign Creator determines what is best by definition.
Since God commanded (among other things), "do not commit adultery", would it be wrong for Him to Judge? In fact, being All Knowing, He would know that no one could keep His Commandments completely... except Himself. Which is why He allowed Himself (in the form of the Christ) to live that Law perfectly in our place, so that He could pay the very punishment that He, Himself, decreed... also in our place.
Now, think about it:
We screw up... He pays for our Sins...
The ONLY thing we have to do to be saved,is to except this gift by believing that the debt is paid for.
Doesnt sound like a monster to me.
And i am greatful that I dont get what I deserve.... howbout you?
Xiao Mei
2005-12-06, 15:18
Argonplasma,
1. My point was that an all powerful, all wise, omnipotent being wouldn't be concerned with petty sins. Why would a SPIRIT who had never had a physical body care about sex anyway? Like I said, God expects self improvement, not perfection. I doubt he's really going to get his Holy Panties in a bunch because some teenager got to "3rd base."
2. Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert and he had second thoughts about the whole crucifiction thing. I'm sure there are other ways that he doubted or sinned that I just don't remember or that weren't recorded. Jesus was a HUMAN man with a human's weaknesses. The amazing thing about him is he did the right thing anyway, despite all of that.
3. The bible was written by men who CLAIMED to be divinely inspired. Maybe they were or maybe they weren't, it's impossible to tell. Also, the bible has been translated from Greek to arameic to arabic to latin to german and then FINALLY to english. You think parts of it haven't been lost or changed over the years? Another thing to consider is the bible was written over 2000 years ago. God gave us minds that are capable of intelligence and evolution, and I don't mean evolution in the darwinian sense. We constantly invent new things, new ideas and better understand the world around us. I think God WANTS us to question and WANTS us to evolve or why else would we be able to? Why would god grant us intelligent, adaptable minds and then expect us to remain ignorant primitives?
I understand the doctorine, I just interpret it differently. I think the bible is a guide that god would not expect us to take literally.