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Does the church believe that dying from smoking is equivalent to suicide?
Do you?
Why?
Is smoking like the mortal sin of offing yourself? I mean...you could stop...if you wanted to, or you could die because of it.
Well more specifically, if you do die of developing lung cancer as a result of smoking, does the church say you go to straight to hell?
hyroglyphx
2005-11-21, 00:28
quote:Originally posted by Andreas:
Does the church believe that dying from smoking is equivalent to suicide?
I don't think the Catholic Church views it as suicide, though I'm fairly certain that they view it as desecration of your personal 'temple.'
Conversely, there are some psychologists who view it as 'passive suicide'.
Do you?
No, I don't view it as intentional suicide.
Why?
Because, no one truly wants to die. The only reason they want to die is because life has become grievous to them. If it weren't, they would want to live. Everyone desires to live. If they wanted to commit suicide, they wouldn't do it over a 40 year span that develops into a terrible condition of emphasema or cancer.
Is smoking like the mortal sin of offing yourself? I mean...you could stop...if you wanted to, or you could die because of it.
Well more specifically, if you do die of developing lung cancer as a result of smoking, does the church say you go to straight to hell?
I suppose there are some members of clergy who, even though profess to know Christ, still don't have the faintest idea about Him. They might make a wild accusation such as that. The reality is, no one knows who is truly bound for hell. Judgement is for God to discern, not man, who will himself be subject to judgement.
It is my understanding that if you commit a mortal sin you are destined to hell, regardless of your repent.
According of course, to Catholic teachings...
MasterPython
2005-11-21, 04:06
quote:Originally posted by Andreas:
It is my understanding that if you commit a mortal sin you are destined to hell, regardless of your repent.
I think Catholics believe mortal sins only get you sent to Hell if you don't confess them to a priest and repent or say the act of perfect contrition before you die. Mortal sins are basicly breaking the ten comandments and a few other things that they have added like using birth control.
As for smoking as suicide, probably only if you smoke with the intent to kill yourself. Because with sins it's the thought that counts. For example adultery can be comited alone in your head, hands on or off.
[This message has been edited by MasterPython (edited 11-21-2005).]
Blow5hitUp
2005-11-21, 09:00
quote:Originally posted by Andreas:
It is my understanding that if you commit a mortal sin you are destined to hell, regardless of your repent.
According of course, to Catholic teachings...
There should be some sorta three strikes rule.
well, if it is passive suicide, actual suicide...you're smoking with intent to die, then yes, its a mortal sin...but does anyone really do that?
Now, smoking is not taking care of yourself, which is also a sin. Depending your attitude toward it, also a mortal sin...
Our grandparents didn't even think about what their diet did to them, thusly, didn't fit the requirements for mortal sin
Real.PUA
2005-11-23, 11:36
As long as you say you're sorry and pay the proper tithe your soul will be safe.
napoleon_complex
2005-11-23, 12:45
quote:Originally posted by Real.PUA:
As long as you say you're sorry and pay the proper tithe your soul will be safe.
I think you're joking, but knowing the number of idiots in this world, there is a good chance that you're not joking.
Basically, that's wrong. Tithe does nothing to get someone forgiveness in the eyes of Gad. Saying you're sorry or just merely confessing one's sins does nothing to get someone forgiveness.
Smoking is a sin only if: a.) It's illegal; b.) You're doing it in excess(a pack and a half a day would be excess) or you're addicted to it(any addiction is a sin); c.) You're doing it to kill yourself.
I can't think of one examples where I've seen someone try and smoke themselves to death. If people are going to try and kill themselves, they usually don't try and spread it out over 30 years. Just doesn't make much sense if you ask me.
mr. benfield
2005-11-23, 14:11
i dont think sins matter at all, all that matters if you accept jesus as your saviour.
yes you accept Jesus as your savior from sin yet you do whatever you want contrary to His will. Thats some faith...Sins do matter.
quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:
a.) It's illegal; b.) You're doing it in excess(a pack and a half a day would be excess)
Who gets to determine excess?
Why is it sin if its illegal in the eyes of the U.S Goverment (i.e, you are underage)? Isn't papal law or bible law better? I don't understand.
quote:Originally posted by Andreas:
Who gets to determine excess?
Why is it sin if its illegal in the eyes of the U.S Goverment (i.e, you are underage)? Isn't papal law or bible law better? I don't understand.
Yeah the illegal one is incorrect, like God has to obey or even so much look at the laws we created.
napoleon_complex
2005-11-24, 14:11
quote:Originally posted by Andreas:
Who gets to determine excess?
Why is it sin if its illegal in the eyes of the U.S Goverment (i.e, you are underage)? Isn't papal law or bible law better? I don't understand.
The person knows if what there doing is in excess. It's that little ol' conscience thing.
Don't you remember that bible quote that goes along the lines of obey the laws on earth or else(I'm not going to try and seach that up).
Actually, biblical and scriptual rules are more important than temporal laws, but you still have to follw these laws in addition to following the laws laid out by the bible.
quote:Originally posted by Blow5hitUp:
There should be some sorta three strikes rule.
Just don't be a Catholic. Problem solved.
shiftyboyos
2005-11-24, 19:40
Ive often said that to those I care about. Your a Catholic, suicide is a sin. You know smoking will kill you at least try to quit. But they just shrug it off and say im going to die anyway.